Talk:House/Archive 1

Comments
ok If this is a re-direct because house is the better word then house should be used on the mainpage. A mainpage category with a redirect is messy and unprofessional --BozMo|talk 16:00, 28 Jun 2004 (UTC)

OOPS!
It was a nice article, but you didn't talk about palaces in detail. Those are houses, right? Please consider. And where does Aid cantitades fit in for this pages categories?

Mention changing construction and use
Houses at one time were primarily storage and shelter. Outhouse latrines were located outside away from the home and kitchens were either adjacent or close by. Over time houses have gained bedrooms, plumbing, electricity, bathrooms, kitchens, and grown in size. Now houses often include many complex systems such as sensor activated lights, thermostats with multiple zones and time frames, automated washing and drying machines for people, hair, clothes, and dinnerware. April 19 08

Copyedit - Vandalism, really?
I'd like to know why my copyedit ( 01:26, 13 January 2007 172.147.131.46 ) was reverted and called vandalism?

Also, on a side note, the picture of A house in Pathanapuram, Kerala (India) by the introduction is not showing up; can anyone fix it?

Image choice.
Is the image (Houses in Fishpool Street) a reasonably generic image of a house for most people? I live in Canada, and very few people in North America live in similar housing. In NA usage 'I'm going back to the house' could mean 'home', but 'a house' would usually mean a detached building with a yard. What's the usage for other english speakers? jericho4.0 17:53, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * These would certainly be called houses in England, and it's a very common style there and elsewhere in Europe. Most are not as old as those in the picture though (the white house is probably medieval). Most likely there is room in the article for images of a few other styles. - Anon

-- Are we seriously not going to have any images of houses (apart from the German, thermal apartment block) from EU countries? (and Switzerland is not one)86.16.139.140 (talk) 13:54, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

First sentence
I changed the first sentence to say "typically lived in by" as opposed to previous. I felt this avoided a logical conflict given that many homes are unoccupied...? (deaths, foreclosures, renovations, and condemnation). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.219.196.90 (talk) 05:53, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Treehouse
Should mention "treehouse." --Daniel C. Boyer 20:08, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Doghouse / kennel
Out of interest, what is the difference between a doghouse and a kennel? I'd say "kennel" for a little wooden shelter / house for the dog to sit in, is a doghouse something else? Could this be BE / AE? Saintswithin 21:11, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * While a doghouse is restricted to this type of shelter, a kennel can also include a large complex, "indoors" in the sense of a building human staffers may enter too, housing a lot of dogs, and everything in between; while "doghouse" is restricted to the one-dog shelter, "kennel" just means any kind of structure specifically used or intended for the housing of one or more dogs. --Daniel C. Boyer 16:21, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Home / House
Surely a lot could be said about the difference between a house and a home? The latter is merely a redirect here. Anyone wanting to take on the project? violet/riga (t) 23:42, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Nobility and royalty
Royalty and nobility often refer to their kin while referring to a house, e.g. House of Plantagenet. Why is that? --Kebman 11:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Cottage/Shelter - are you sure?!
I'm sure many people all over Europe - England especially, would be distraught to read that their wonderful, thatched, quirky old cottage is being referred to in an encyclpaedia as a "simple shelter". A cottage is most definitely a house type. --IanUK 10:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Uhh... The Page has obviously been vandalised and I have no idea how to revert or delete it... 172.137.64.123 22:40, 28 November 2006 (UTC) Ralph

someone was probably in an ICT class and got really annoyed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.38.215.126 (talk) 18:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone deleted the page...
reversed deletion. 66.75.242.105 07:31, 10 December 2006 (UTC)Lucky

My edits
Hi, I'm a copyeditor and i just proofread some of this article. I did not remove the copyedit tag because I would like to have appproval over other wikipedians as well. What do you think? Does it need another copyedit. Please in form meShowmanship is the key 21:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The first house?
When was the first house build? I mean way back, out of natural materials, like wood, wheat, and hay, and fur.


 * Wow! That is a good question.  I wonder where we could find it out. (Patricia Op 23:10, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Images
I would like to suggest swapping the top image (house in columbia) with the next image (terraced houses in the UK) as I believe it better represents the term. Surely most people do not think of a large mansion when the term house is used? Random89 (talk) 07:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Opening Paragraph
Some consensus needs to be reached about the relationship of this article to a range of other words before this kind of Diff can be accepted. As it is, the first line needs to make it clear that the word 'house' is not only a noun but is also a verb, and can have adjectival formations as well. It also needs to be made clear that its meanings are related to Dwelling, Residence, Home, Abode, Accommodation, Housing, Lodging etc. etc. Otherwise it will become far too culturally specific.Eyedubya (talk) 09:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That grossly mistaken view is apparently in effect, but no such effort at such a narrow consensus would be appropriate, per WP:CONEXCEPT.
 * By the kind of deep and long-standing consensus we call policy (in contrast to the more common guidelines) WP is not a dictionary, despite a few valid articles that give detailed attention to etymology and usage.
 * House is a suitable article to cover houses, in the normal modern English sense of "house", which is a single structure designed to provide living space for one or a few units of one or more people, where those within each unit share the facilities convenient for sharing (probably cooking, eating, toilet, and washing facilities, perhaps leisure facilities, but, except in pairs, probably not sleeping/sex facilities). (Actually, i agree that being fully enclosed is probably not a requirement for a house: i suspect, for instance, that "My Little Grass Shack in Kealakekua, Hawaii" qualifies, even if a similar structure would not be a practical house, and thus would not be a house at all, in Schenectady.) English-speaking people who've lived in cultures where English is the first language recognize houses when they see them in that context, but the problem of analogs in other cultures, and recognizing with certainty in other cultures what "house" does or doesn't mean does not keep the topic from being encyclopedic: a topic needs to be clear enough to be an established unit of discourse, but a commitment to convert imprecise common-sense topics into philosophical universals (rather than discuss those universals, or perceived universals, elsewhere) would be a serious barrier to effective work on WP.
 * The boundary between houses and apartment buildings is not a clear one, but it is clear that a high rise apartment building is not a house, and that a typical dormitory, frat or sorority "house", or hotel or motel, is not a house. My impression is that pueblos were too apartment-like to treat as houses; i am guessing that relevant research and thot would indicate that tipis, single "room" tents, and most traditional yurts are not similar enough to houses to be efficiently covered in an encyclopedic article on what a house is and what the consequences are of living (or not) in a house, in a society that considers houses and apartment buildings the norms for housing; but all of that involves PoV, and subtleties that should stand in the way of explicating the fairly concrete topic of houses, in the sense of the colloquial modern English term.
 * On the other hand, English does have a word that embraces the scope contemplated by the preceding talk contrib, and by the misguided prose in the lead secn and in the first titled section of the accompanying article: that word is "housing", and it avoids the inherant cultural specificity of "house". As long as dict-defs are kept to the brief phrases appropriate to the lead sentences of most WP articles, housing can be an article (moving the current Dab to housing (disambiguation)) that addresses those concerns and uses some of the current language that is unsuitable to House. --Jerzy•t 01:45, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The initial note in this section fails to describe the circumstances of the edit it objects to, and the reference to requiring a "consensus" invites the inference that the editor,, had replaced material sanctioned by a clear consensus process with something new. In fact, the edit logged as
 * 21:18, 2 March 2008 Otolemur crassicaudatus ... (16,378 bytes) (sorce please?)
 * could have been better summarized (per another diff) with
 * (rv to last by User:DeadEyeArrow: no source given)
 * especially since what it reverted to is essentially the most recent variant of a long-standing approach to the intro of the article.
 * It must be admitted that for its part, Oto's summary invited the assumption that a source was all that was needed to justify the reverted edit by, when in fact the source is grossly inadequate to justify it. In fact, it is not only common sense about what a house is, that makes Zar's innovation inappropriate, bcz the very title of the work cited (aside from the question of whether an editor added a zero, or shifted the comma in a paleo-archeological study spanning 60,000 years) screams it: Norbert Schoenauer did not write 6,0000 Years of Houses but [however many] Years of Housing, which suggests that the choice to use "house" as a synonym, in this one work by one author, for (i guess) "housing unit" or "housing structure", is evidence for nothing more compelling than a quirk or whim to which he chose to subject not potential purchasers, but only those sitting down to read after the purchase of the book had been effected.
 * Consequently, i am proceeding as follows:
 * Reviving Housing as a stub for an article (rather than as a Dab), and transferring there the material that most obviously is not about the house, the housing concept of usually free-standing buildings, roughly single-family in capacity, traditionally constructed either independently of neighboring structures or with limited consultation about maintaining access, and usually vertical-walled and peaked-roofed.
 * Simply removing material about other housing-related senses of "house", rather than undertaking to decide whether there is enough material beyond dict-defs, to justify an article on House (word) and/or one on the relationship between House and home. I'll collect that material on this talk page for the convenience (with the accompanying vandalism-ridden page, where the history of reversion of vandalism obscures that of article development) of interested editors.
 * I'm considering working up an extract from the article's history, essentially a faked-up edit-history page, with all the vandalistic edits ignored.
 * The massive "See also" section is symptomatic of inadequate editing; most of these should be replaced by prose references to the articles in question, and the rest, on an individual basis, either eliminated unless the need for their retention there can be explained on this talk page.
 * --Jerzy•t 06:22, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I should mention that there may be longstanding material in House that is not about houses per se, but merely about functions inherent to housing that must be fulfilled whether it is provided by apartment buildings, hotels, group housing, portable dwellings, or (in rudimentary fashion) by street living. Those functions belong in this article only where their fulfillment is substantially different bcz it's done in a house rather than in other forms of housing. --Jerzy•t 06:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Definition of "House"
An apartment building is not a house! It may be a "home" but not a "House"! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.137.172.75 (talk) 16:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

WP Vacancy?
Is there an over-arching Project for rentals, apartments, share housing, &c? If so, they could use tagging... TREKphiler  hit me ♠  04:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Legal Issues? USA
What is the sentence about 'belonging' and 'making the best use of ones money' based on? To me this makes no sense at all. You belong to a what exactly? People with the same house as you do? And why would this homes be considered a better buy by most people? 212.76.241.182 (talk) 17:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)Hicham Vanborm

this article is on house (human residential).
A House is typically a shelter or container

This is important, but phrased poorly. Sorry.


 * humans are something that can be housed, but I house my car in A garage.


 * To house is to store for protection or shelter. It can also mean to fit, guide or cushion (see protect).
 * Boards join with a dado & a house.
 * A niche can house a statue. Finding your niche is a lifestyle reference & translates as living & working in a way that suits you; creating your own nest or home.

housing sends me to enclosure. Mechanics, techs, craftsmen, engineers,... use the word housing. In an assembly many parts fit into a main house or housing. Commercial & Residential air Conditioning units have a house. Return air systems have squirrel cage blowers. They are housed in a house.
 * Drinks are on the house
 * casinos are called the house. odds are always with the house. craps has the best house odds.
 * motors have housings.
 * An electrical enclosure is a wire box. Different concept.
 * Bearings are housed. The word implies fit. Something must be designed & built to cradle or guide to be a house.


 * warehouse
 * greenhouse
 * House rules
 * as long as you are in this house, young man...
 * house trained
 * tree house
 * doll house
 * playing house
 * house calls
 * house cats
 * house sitters

There are multiple meanings,

Romanfall (talk) 12:00, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I am a Mech Engineer. We use house, housed and housing for anything requiring assembly. Housed means fitted or seated or flush. Romanfall (talk) 12:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

terminology

 * House of Windsor
 * Houses of Congress
 * House of Representatives
 * House of Lords
 * God’s House = any church
 * Frat House
 * Housin’ is street slang. I think it means looking for trouble.
 * Jail house & house arrest
 * Safe house
 * GuesthouseRomanfall (talk) 12:42, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Etymology
The etymology from Greek is preposterously wrong, to such a degree that it looks like vandalism. Please correct it, registered users, or at least remove that part of that sentence if you seriously don't know what it should say and can't be bothered to use a dictionary. Thanks. 173.52.248.157 (talk) 03:15, 5 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Fixed. I agree that somebody made it up. Fenevad (talk) 13:06, 27 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, that completely bogus etymology was there for almost three months since an anonymous user inserted a couple of these types of made-up etymologies in articles on Wikipedia. I wonder how many undergrads have cited this in their research papers now.... Fenevad (talk) 13:14, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

List of traditional houses
Is there an article which mentions traditional houses of a certain ethnicity or nation? Would be very informative to have that?--Rochelimit (talk) 09:25, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I can see scope for articles on both specific forms, e.g. Mud houses of Elbonia, a category for these house types, and also a list article that can quickly present an overview of them without needing to write all the articles beforehand. If you're interested, go to it. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:23, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

First picture
I believe the picture that shows up first on the article should be replaced with another one, or moved down so that it isn't the very first picture that is meant to illustrate the word "house." It is absolutely nothing against the house itself, but the picture is just not good enough. It doesn't show the house as a whole, and there is not one single object or element of the photograph that stands out as the subject that is meant to be illustrated. If an extraterrestrial being were to come to Wikipedia to see what a "house" is, and saw that picture at first, he would have no idea what a house really is. Is it a window? Is it the number seven? Is it the white ornamentation? Or is it one of the many architectural elements present in that picture of a corner of a house? Even if the alien were to understand that the whole thing is part of a house, would he know that the picture only illustrates part of it? Would he know what the rest of it is supposed to look like?

I get that some might feel compelled to replace American ranch-style houses for traditional constructions from other countries. One might argue that there's no reason to do that, as no style of house is more "pure" or "meritorious" than the other, but I do understand that some people might want to fight what they may perceive to be ethnocentrism. However, if we do want to put a traditional Russian house as the illustration of the word house, let's put a picture of an entire Russian house, not just a corner of it. This is akin to illustrating the word "face" with an eye.--128.42.218.191 (talk) 21:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Tata Group Nanohouse
Perhaps usefull to mention: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/markets/real-estate/news/tata-group-to-sell-nano-house-for-rs-32000/articleshow/9257246.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.242.238.49 (talk) 17:21, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Sourcing
Sourcing for this article appears to be a mix of good mainstream works and strange media links. I would like to bring more of the mainstream thought into the article so that it represents what scholars are thinking on the topic, not what drive-by editors thought would be cool to add. Here are some sources that I want to make a note of for possible future use:
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=iIKFQgAACAAJ
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=LKk6RvLf-v8C
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=C5nPCT6kALcC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=mHLZipz2ZzoC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=geqgda4JJQkC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=Y5Ht9V-A5ZoC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=VSZTA71v3NsC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=mbKhQ1ktxu8C
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=U6qxCkDMcTUC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=l-9O5TL3L4cC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=8JoN0Z2K09YC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=ubladu3ho0sC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=h9KM1PFBX0cC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=ccwXeaPkuoUC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=WEhUAAAAMAAJ
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=lsb0H7nnzzoC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=2Ewy9EL880cC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=Am3qAAAAMAAJ
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=CmYaAQAAIAAJ
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=8KmrdrHhZusC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=ij0673A58AEC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=Am3qAAAAMAAJ
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=CmYaAQAAIAAJ
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=8KmrdrHhZusC
 * http://books.google.com/books?id=ij0673A58AEC

That's a big bite, for sure. Binksternet (talk) 07:35, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Ranch style home in Salinas, California.JPG
If you asked most Americans to describe a ranch style house, I doubt if any of them would come up with something even remotely resembling this one. It's main style is "Spanish mission" and its floorplan deeper into the lot and the narrow side windows on the left remind one of various "bungalows" built in the 20s and 30s. It severely lacks the clean simplicity of the Spanish mission style, however. The cornice brackets, the Palladian window, and the heavy look of the concrete rather than terra cotta roof tiles all violate any sense of proportion. And who thought of putting such a massive window into the garage?

The most archetypical ranch style house would be this one at the wikipedia article "." Although somewhat larger, it has nearly all the features one would expect from this style: the rambling floorplan, the Frank Lloyd Wright-ish deep eaves, and even a big picture window. --Janko (talk) 09:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Houses that are buildings, but not a residence (House of Worship, Houses of Parliament, etc.)
Should houses that are buildings, but not a residence (house of worship, Houses of Parliament, etc.) be in the main "house" article, or should they be discussed on the disambiguation page?

This comment posted both on Talk:House and Talk:House (disambiguation)

71.109.156.39 (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Weatherization and tight buildings?
Coming from a cold but yet environment in the Pacific Northwest, it would be nice to see more about insulation and weatherization, perhaps using sources like Insulate and Weatherize: Expert Advice from Start to Finish or [http://homeenergy.org/show/article/nav/healthyhomes/page/16/id/935 Building Tightness Guidelines: When Is a House Too Tight?] II  | (t - c) 20:59, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Suggestion
I suggest that the "Parts" section is changed to "Rooms." Speling12345 (talk) 8:45, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I came here looking for some history of human habitation, but there's practically nothing apart from an allusion to Vitruvius and Laugier, not even any links. Perhaps this in itself says something interesting, but for me at least, some discussion of the origins of house construction would be a valuable addition. 62.195.152.115 (talk) 01:45, 30 August 2017 (UTC)

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building layout has nothing at all to do with interior design
Even though the page is protected to avoid vandalism, someone managed to get this in: “Ideally, architects of houses design rooms to meet the needs of the people who will live in the house. Such designing, known as "interior design", has become a popular subject in universities.“ The first sentence makes sense, the second is complete nonsense. This is a paragraph about building layout, interior design has nothing to do with it.—151.34.107.57 (talk) 09:26, 27 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. Thanks for catching that. Just plain Bill (talk) 14:02, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2019
Yadwindersingh119 (talk) 05:47, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 06:09, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Home energy efficiency listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Home energy efficiency. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 03:00, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

"Domestic architecture" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Domestic architecture. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Steel1943 (talk) 00:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Redress Article Pictures
I noticed that the vast majority of the houses depicted in the images at the top of the article are disproportionately ones in Romania, and do not sufficiently reflect a broader range of potential designs or historical examples of houses. I think this should be updated with different examples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:6000:144:6430:A2F0:B51A:7679 (talk) 23:21, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 May 2021
Please add links to the text "backyard" and "front yard" in the introduction. 64.203.186.85 (talk) 16:45, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅, and thank you very much for your input!  P.I. Ellsworth   ed.  put'r there 16:58, 12 May 2021 (UTC)