Talk:House Harkonnen/Archive 1

Origin of the name
I've read that Herbert chose this name from a phonebook. Can anyone confirm this?--JyriL talk 22:38, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Emblem
Since the Emblem in the article is confirmed as non-canonical within the article itself, why is it still up there? This is an article about the House Harkonnen from the Dune universe, not a playable race from a video game. Qa Plar 16:32, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I've never seen or played any of the Dune games, but I think you can argue that though they're not canon, they're derivative works (and usually mentioned in the articles) and so the emblems aren't entirely inappropriate as long as it's made clear that they're from the games. All of the Houses have the video game emblems in the articles and I think it definitely makes them more visually appealing and uniform. Anyway, the character photos from various adaptations could technically be considered non-canon as well, since their appearance and clothing don't necessarily match Herbert's descriptions (he wrote that Irulan was blonde, Feyd was a brunet, Mohiam always wore plain black robes, etc.) TAnthony 16:40, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It should be a gryphon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.166.222.102 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 28 March 2007


 * Given that it's a visual representation of an emblem attributed to House Harkonnen, and that no official representation of the blue griffon appears to exist, I say leave it. In a related note, wouldn't the fact that the "ram" has a ring through its nose and has horns like a bull suggest that the artists went with the "Iron bull" idea and that the mention of it being a ram should be changed? Any word saying that it really is a ram? Slavedriver 21:06, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Heart plugs
Can someone write about the way they kill their slaves. Pulling the plug out of them, blood drops from the hole and they die. I don't understand what it is, i'm not familiar with book, only games and 1984 film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.33.234.153 (talk) 23:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That is a factoid unique to the Lynch film, and is not really notable here. &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 23:21, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Descendant of Feyd-Rautha
Didn't Feyd Rautha Harkonnen have an illegitimate unknown baby girl with Lady Margot Fenring? It says so in the original Dune book and Paul's ghola remembers in Hunters of Dune that Count Fenring tried to kill him in his original life in order to have the daughter of Feyd and Margot ascend to the throne of the Emperor (or in this case Empress) of the Known Universe.--190.10.0.57 (talk) 01:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is noted in detail in the Feyd-Rautha and Margot Fenring articles (but the reference to which you refer occurs in Sandworms of Dune). &mdash; TAnthonyTalk 05:53, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

The family tree is no right...
This tree presents a problem  to us: Ulf Harkonnen, father of dynasty Harkonnen ( he is the first time that he mentions this surname in all the saga Dune ), died according to this family tree, in the year 217 A.C, and his son Piers ( main character of our adventure "Hunting Harkonnens" ) was born on the 236 A.C. These data are not right ; Or else Ulf Harkonnen did not dead in that date but some years later, or his son Piers was born before the deadline. I will reason my doubts. In story "Hunting Harkonnens", Piers Harkonnen has twenty one years old. If he was born, as it has told to himself previously, in the year 236 A.C, the story would make progress toward the year 215 A.C. However, his father Ulf Harkonnen appears in this story. If he died in the 217 A.C, that is 2 years before,¿How could he take part in our adventure? Pitifully, we do not count on a lot of bigger information that it help somebody solve our unknown quantity. In "Hunting Harkonnens", Ulf Harkonnen explains to his son Piers than his brother Xabier " It Is Too young to be the successor Harkonnen...", Naturally that is possible right now than he informs us in the family tree than Xabier Harkonnen was born in the year 223 A.C. what takes to think that to us Xabier was having 8 years when our story was developing and this agrees with the description that he is too young but there is not a indication on the date in the one that it passes  in the events told in Hunting Harkonnens.We can think than, if  the novel Hunting Harkonnens is a text published un-officially ( appear as The Road departs from the book To Dune ), that the dates are not exact and the fact that these have gone away modifying and validating in the fiction published officially.


 * I think you're forgetting that these dates are B.G. or Before Guild, so they run backwards, counting down to the Guild creation date. So 236 B.G. occurs first, and 217 later.&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 19:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I do not speak very well inglish and maybe I have not known how to express myself. I'm coming to include a little drawing. If Piers was born on year - 236 BG, in the story hunting Harkonnens says than piers he has 21 years. So than, the story begins in the year - 215 BG. Ulf and Katarina appear in the story. This means that in the year - 215 BG even were living . But here  said than died both in the year - 217 BG, then died 2 years before on - 215 BG. This data can not be right.  *-236BG(Piers Born) -- -217BG (Ulf & Katarina died) 215BG (Piers have 21 years old during the history "Hunting Harkonnen" when his parent lifed yet.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabarro (talk • contribs) 07:17, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks like someone did make a typo, the timeline on the official site (referenced in other articles) notes Piers's birth year as 238. I've made the change and cited it. Thanks!&mdash; TAnthonyTalk 20:42, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Although it is mentioned in a different section on the page, shouldn't Feyd-Rautha's unnamed daughter with Lady Margot Fenring be added to the family tree as well?&mdash; FontevraultTalk 06:12, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Harkonnen family tree
I'm preserving family tree from the redirected article on this talk page for archival purposes.— TAnthonyTalk 16:16, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

The following family tree assembles information from Frank Herbert's original novels as well as the prequel series Legends of Dune and Prelude to Dune. (Note: Xavier was engaged to Serena Butler at the time she was captured and enslaved on Earth by the Thinking Machines. From evidence at the attack site, her family and Xavier thought she had died. After a year, he legally married Octa Butler, Serena's younger sister. Serena not only survived; she gave birth to Xavier's child, Manion, who had been conceived at their engagement party. It was the death of Manion at the hands of the machine Erasmus and the resulting actions by Serena Butler that started the Jihad. She escaped Earth with Vorian Atreides and Iblis Ginjo and returned to Salusa Secundus only to find Xavier, her fiancé, had married Octa.)