Talk:House music/Archive 3

Trash
As a person who was there and watched it being born...this is trash. The history is totally confused. Whoever wrote this goes out of their way to avoid giving proper credit where it is due, thereby destroying any historical relevance. For a real understanding of how all this began you'd do good to read Frankie Knuckles many, many interviews on the subject or Mel Cheren's autobiography. Knuckles' can be found online. You can then compare and see just what an excellent piece of shit this is.

Too cryptic
As a person who doesn't visit a dance club, this article is too crytic.

The author assumes everyone knows what he is talking about and went into details without a proper introduction. Correct me if I am wrong. I assume the term "House Music" means the music played and choosen by the DJ in a dance club and is characteristic to a given establishment. Similar to "House Salad" in a restaurant.


 * The article is a little cryptic. House music is a particular, relatively early genre of electronic dance music.  It's not like the "house style" o, say, a winery or restaurant (though there are of course dance clubs which do specialise in house music).

paragraph, because I'm not sure of it's accuracy, I've always associated "happy house" with happy hardcore which is more UK phenomenon than a LA one, and it's relationship to rave also seems a little off. Also, the "gangsters & girlfriends" section is very dubious to me needs NPOV-ing at the very least. Anybody want to take a stab? --Lexor 07:41, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Seems like an excellent article to me
But then Im Brisith and I'm a DJ. I think it went into a decent amount of detail if your in any way into house music. I agree for total beginners it was maybe a little ambitious. Certainly filled in some of the blanks for me.


 * If you're referring to the section at the top of the page which begins:


 * As a person who doesn't visit a dance club, this article is too crytic.


 * then it's actually a comment about the version of the article as of 3 Oct 2001!! The article has progressed quite considerably since then (see the edit history) and is considerably less cryptic (I hope).  This is why everybody should always sign their Talk: comments with four tildes: ~, otherwise you have to look at the edit history with a fine toothcomb to figure out when somebody said what. --Lexor 07:35, 5 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Progressive house
I removed this:
 * *Progressive house:The mixing of rap rhythms with the speed of house, usually made by taking slow instrumental rap beats records and playing them at 45 speed, to achieve the intense rhythms and bass but at the higher speed usually 145 to 180 beats per minute. Also done with speed or pitch shifting computer programs.

and replaced with a modified section out of progressive music as I don't think that modified "rap rhythms" is normally thought of as the defining aspect of progressive house, usually it refers to more trance-like and epic qualities of artists such as Leftfield and BT. I think the author was referring to some of the hip-hop elements in progressive music (such as Leftfield's "Song of Life") but the way it is written seems to overemphasize this aspect. --Lexor 05:55, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

West Coast house
West Coast house should get a mention in this section. Great house dj's like Doc Martin and Jason Blakemore pioneered a soulful funky style in LA and producers HippE and Halo, who produced tracks with DJ Dan, Lance Disardi, and Wally Calerio, still release great tracks. The key record lables are Pacific Coast House, Life records, Moody and others

Sexy House
'Sexy House' is substandard and isn't the catagorization that most DJs, music forums, or record stores use. The type of music you're describing is usually classified as Deep House and features everything described in the lame duck 'Sexy House' category. For a better reference, use Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Dance Music where he branches Deep House (nee 'Sexy House') as a subgenre of House and then applies it as a supergenre to Funky House, Disco House, and French House. Wikipedia would do well to follow that lead.

Ishkur's Guide

kidcorporeal Friday, January 28 2005.

Boston
not that you likely care but HippE and Halo came from Boston originally.

Warehouse
There's no mention in the article of the Warehouse club in Chicago, where DJ Frankie Knuckles play an eclectic mix of fast American disco and European electronic music. It's from this club's name that the word "house" music comes from.

Jesse Saunder's "On and On" was released 1983 and was here before "Your Love". Check Discogs.com for proof.

UK Garage
UK Garage developed later, growing in the underground club scene from drum and bass ideas. Aimed more for dancing than listening, it produced distinctive tunes like "Double 99" from Ripgroove in 1997. Gaining popularity amongst clubbers in Ibiza, it was re-imported to the UK and in a softened form had chart success: soon it was being applied to mainstream acts like Daniel Bedingfield and Victoria Beckham.

In the above part I changed Daniel Bedingfield to another relevant example (Liberty X). This is because garage was not applied to an already commercial Bedingfield, but Bedingfield actually gained fame because of the underground success of "Gotta Get Thru This".

DJ Skippy

House music in Italy and Europe
I find this article too much US centric and pessimistic. I'm Italian and I can say that here, the best clubs are House clubs, and generally House is the most danced genre. It is indeed even in expansion thanks too DJs like Tommy Vee, T&F Moltosugo, Alex Neri, Claudio Coccoluto, etc... Almost every radio channel has a weekly House chart, and there are many radio stations airing exclusively House Music (like RadioStudioPiù) and they are very popular especially in Norther and Central Italy, with the big party towns, with the big clubs, being mostly on the Adriatic Riviera and around the lakes area. Most danced House genres are Funky House, Happy House, Commercial House, Techno House, Tribal House.

I think that the House phenomenon has been imported and relaunched in all Europe. It's the next big thing, very popular; it's not going to die anytime soon, that's why I think the article is misleading. Thanks, Andrea G.

Hard house
'Hard House' should not redirect to this main 'House' thread. 'Hard House' is more of a commercial derivative of Techno than house. If it does direct here then there should be an explanation of the difference between the various spin-off sub-genres: tech house, hard house, speed garage.

There is also a whole article called 'hard house' (non-caps) that is different from the redirect from 'Hard House' (caps first letters).

--Wonky Techno 20:55, 28 Mar 2006 (GMT)

Spam link
Someone may want to consider removing the link to "www.house-mania.com" as a resource site. The site is an ad page and has very little information about House.

Lime
The bit about Lime seems a little bit subjective. It sounds like the author REALLY likes Lime. Perhaps someone might want to have a look at this. Also, there is plenty of colloquial language, especially in this bit: "It's impossible to nail down a moment in time when Lime started sounding like a kissing cousin of House Mix. Most would agree that by the time 1984's "Angel Eyes" single had hit the clubs, they had one foot in the house." I'm not sure about any of this and recommend it for advanced editing.

Once Again someone has butchered Chicago
No mention of the influence of Italo Disco on the genre in Chicago, and Larry Heards music was "House", "Deep House" refered to the music played by Ron Hardy, Gene Hunt and Lil Louis (etc) in the more underground clubs which included disco, disco remixes and rawer music than played on Chicago Radio. Again, whomever keeps doing this biased and uninformed edits better try researching Chicago. Further, Detroit Techno gets no mention, that needs to be rectifed and will be. User:DJ Black Adam

Neuterd Chicago and minimized Detroit techno
Again, some Eurocentric British hyperbole has been injected, and further, Detroit Techno gets reduced to "proto techno"? I will get back to this as soon as possibleUser:DJ Black Adam

Hyperlink
Why is there no hyperlink to the word "Chicago" anywhere in the article? This should be changed, but the article is locked.

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