Talk:House of Guise

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It seems to be incorrect to talk about "the Cardinal of Lorraine" or "the Cardinal of Guise". See Talk:Cardinal (Catholicism). S.

Well in this case Lorraine or Guise is the family name, so I think it's correct, though perhaps Cardinal de Lorraine and Cardinal de Guise would be better. ____ Looks like this was written by a Hugonote from the XVI c. (: I just took out an 'Immensely ambitious' ...  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.87.75.99 (talk) 10:50, 14 April 2019 (UTC) --- There seems to be a certain anti-Guise bias in the usual presentation of the events. They are portrayed as basically villains, who wracked havoc in France and started Religious Wars, while Henry IV was a peacemaker who brought reconciliation to the war torn country. Any thoughts? Anchorite 21:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Hmm...I think that the elder Duke of Guise and his brother, the Cardinal of Lorraine, don't necessarily come off that badly in more recent accounts (traditional English accounts, being written by Protestants, tend to have been pretty negative on the whole lot). The younger Duke of Guise seems to come off pretty badly just about always, but I suspect that this is partially because, well, he was pretty awful - an opportunist in Spanish pay looking to usurp the crown, and so forth. john k 21:24, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Since we mentioned moral standing of the younger Guises, their arch-enemy Henry IV was financially supported by another "foreign" party, and ended up changing his religion twice to accomodate himself. At the end, the Spaniards and French Catholic Party lost. Bourbon claims to the throne were slightly better than Guise's, yet the latter were stressing one important factor - unity of throne with Church. The firmly believed in preserving the integrity of France, rather than giving her away to a bunch of Protestants supported by English, German, and Dutch money. I believe that Protestants had to have the rights, but precisely at the time it seemed that France is being sold. Also, I think everyone at the time, including Guise family, knew that Spain was no longer a superpower - a Guise on the throne would not have been a Spanish marionette. If Mary Stuart were not deposed, and Duke de Guise would become a King of France, there would be several kingdoms under a rule of one family, similar to the situation with Habsburgs. I see no problem with what they tried to accomplish. Nor do I think their adversaries were not after the same goals. :) Anchorite 02:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation
I have heard that the dynastic name "Guise" is historically pronounced to rhyme, more or less, with "wheeze", and therefore is unlike pronunciation of the English word, "guise". Would someone competent to do so confirm this, and edit in the appropriate phonetic, preferably with a reliable citation. Thanks. FactStraight (talk) 00:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the english say it as geeze with a hard g. The locals say gweeze all run together with a soft g. 82.132.248.235 (talk) 22:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC)


 * My father came from guise. I think the locals use gweeze with a soft g
 * 150.143.224.225 (talk) 20:54, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

MAP Needed.
A Good Map of the Area they controlled or where from, should be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.179.248.117 (talk) 06:21, 9 May 2018 (UTC)