Talk:House of Gwynedd

Kingdom of Gwynedd
The articles for the House of Gwynedd and the Kingdom of Gwynedd (which represents House of Cunedda seem to be overlapping. Information from the Kingdom article should be in the Gwynedd article, perhaps a merger or renaming of the articles ?? Cltjames (talk) 18:49, 21 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Looking at this article, it specifies the House of Cunedda begins roughly 400, and ends 825 with Merfyn Fetch, then the House of Gwynedd exists for less than a century, then the House of Aberffraw, from 844-1283.So, my question, why does the House of Cunedda article link yo the Kingdom of Gwynedd which lists rulers from 401-1216... ?? Surely there isn't consistency throughout the pages and there needs to be a merger and removal with information moved.
 * Any thoughts on this observation ?
 * I think the Kingdom of Gwynedd and House of Cunedda should be 2 separate articles, what do you think ? Cltjames (talk) 14:18, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm not an expert on the topic, I've mostly only added the Dinefwr branch on the page in the past, but I think there should be a full page on the House of Gwynedd, like you did with the Aberffraw page, starting with Cunedda as founder and their royal titles. And then removing Cunedda as founder and other overlapping things on the house of Aberffraw page as Cunedda was the founder of the House of Gwynedd.
 * The Story of Wales - Jon Gower :
 * https://books.google.ca/books?id=0mqJesC_NG4C&pg=PA72&lpg=PA72&dq=%22cunedda%22+%22house+of+gwynedd%22&source=bl&ots=anRB7OWlZe&sig=ACfU3U0RsBRRDJ_L8raDN1m5XzdmwzaCtA&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHhIbIjP2AAxWdFFkFHULcA0g4FBDoAXoECAYQAw#v=onepage&q=%22cunedda%22%20%22house%20of%20gwynedd%22&f=false
 * There's a list there of the House of Cunedda : List of rulers of Gwynedd and here is another one :
 * https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/A_Short_History_of_Wales/Tables
 * I think the best is to not create a page for the House of Cunedda but rather to simply create a section on the page for it at the beggining, and then add another section for Aberffraw and Dinefwr ( that would connect with the existing pages), as the House of Gwynedd represent the Kingdom of Gwynedd and its succession. What do you think ? Academia45 (talk) 15:17, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * @Academia45 Ok, thanks. I'll look into this tomorrow, the only issue with removing Cunedda as founder of the House of Aberffraw is that I actually referenced that from the new website HouseOfAberffraw.org.
 * But there is something lacking between linking these Welsh Kingdom and Royal House articles and there needs to be more research done on the House of Gwynedd, because this work is unreferenced and doesn't make sense when comparing to other Gwynedd articles. As for Aberffraw, I'm going to do another grammar check and, then I'll add another sub section with few paragraphs to bring closure to the article, soon. Cltjames (talk) 15:31, 27 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Sure, but please find references from books or else that meet Wikipedia guidelines. HouseofAberffraw.org doesn't list sources or authors and it looks like original research. I'm not an admin but from experience, they would remove it and ask also for references for the names added to the succession. Academia45 (talk) 15:41, 27 August 2023 (UTC)