Talk:House of Schwarzenberg

House of Schwarzenberg or Schwarzenberg family
User:Gryffindor changed the name of the article from House of Schwarzenberg to Schwarzenberg family. I would suggest to reverse this change. To support my opinion, I would like to provide two reasons. Firstly, it is common in English and German to refer to the leading nobel families as houses. Although there is no specific rule, when one refers to a nobel house or family, it seems appropriate that a princely family of the Holy Roman Empire should be recorded / listed as a house. Examples of other princely families of the HRE on Wikipedia are:

| House of Arenberg, | House of Liechtenstein, | House of Schwarzburg and | House of Waldburg.

Secondly, the notion of a nobel house comprises the whole family, with all its branches and cadet branches. As the House of Schwarzenberg was divided several times throughout history and not all notable members derive from the same principal line, it would not do justice to call it just a family.

I am looking forward to contributions of other users, especially from User:Gryffindor, to this conversation.

Schwarzenbergika (talk) 09:59, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 18:18, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Correct Genealogy
The following people are no members of the Schwarzenberg family, although they appear in the respective Wikipedia article in different languages:

* G1. Hugo Tiberius (* 1936) * H1. Lukas (* 1963) * I1. Egon Hildebrand (* 1996) Schwarzenbergika (talk) 10:00, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 10 April 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: reverted to stable title. Please note that this can be done for recent, undiscussed moves without creating a full request by posting at WP:RMTR. Now that the move has been objected to, any editor can begin a move discussion through a normal request. Dekimasu よ! 07:27, 11 April 2018 (UTC)

Schwarzenberg family → House of Schwarzenberg – The move from House of Schwarzenberg to Schwarzenberg family was not discussed. See also previous move rationale from 22:34, 9 May 2017. Jklamo (talk) 11:19, 10 April 2018 (UTC)


 * Support. The logic for the original undiscussed move is wrong on two counts. First, the convention "House of" is not restricted to 'sovereign ruling families' if that term implies royalty - see dynasty which clearly implies it refers to nobility of any rank. Second, the German Wiki convention is to use Foo (Adelsgeschlecht) (lit. "Foo (noble family)") for their nobility. The English equivalent of that is "House of". --Bermicourt (talk) 12:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. What country did the Ushers rule in Edgar Allen Poe's Fall of the House of Usher? There is no "sovereign ruling family" requirement. Nine Zulu queens (talk) 05:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


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