Talk:House of Terror (1960 film)

Error in title
This film was never released anywhere in the world under the title "House of Terror". It was shown in Spanish-speaking countries only as "La Casa del Terror" and in English-speaking countries in a horribly-reedited dubbed version called "Face of the Screaming Werewolf'. So why is the wikiarticle entitled "House of Terror"?? That was never a title on any of the film prints made of this film. It was never referred to as "House of Terror".  Big mistake! 68.129.15.71 (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
 * My guess would be because the article has no sources. We'll have to dig out some information about it. As it currently stands, the film doesn't deserve an article if its just a plot summary. Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:56, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Can you change the title of the article to La Casa del Terror? 68.129.15.71 (talk) 23:22, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

Error in running time
I watched the dvd of "Casa del Terror" today and the running time is well over 75 minutes. The wikipage article states "60 minutes", which is incorrect. The dvd of the re-edited (Americanized) Jerry Warren version of this film (called "Face of the Screaming Werewolf") runs 59 1/2 minutes, so whoever wrote 60 minutes as the running time for "Casa del Terror" was probably confusing it with "Face of the Screaming Werewolf". "Casa del Terror" ran well over 75 minutes. I don't know if the dvd itself can be used as a "reliable source"?? (why not, right?)68.129.15.71 (talk) 20:24, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

I added more sources and fixed the errors you pointed out. The page has multiple sources now. Can I use the actual dvd of the movie itself as evidence of its running time? I can look at it again & get you the exact running time down to the second?68.129.15.71 (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)68.129.15.71 (talk) 20:26, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
 * As mentioned on template:infobox film, "Insert an approximate time duration of the film in minutes. If the running time is given to the second, round it to the minute (and do not link to "minute"). Restrict the entry to the runtime for the primary release; this will usually be the format the film premiered on, so for films that have had a theatrical release insert the runtime of the original theatrical version. Runtimes can vary due to regional censorship, alternative cuts (such as a director's cut or an unrated version) and different technical specifications across release formats, but do not include any additional runtimes without consensus. Use a reliable secondary source to cite the information; do not take it from home video packaging or time it yourself. If using the BBFC website as a source take note that a film may have been submitted to the BBFC several times for classification and have several different runtimes associated with it depending on format, version and component (such as a DVD commentary), so be careful to source the correct time, which are all listed at the bottom of the entry page for the film under "Feature"". For more infobox rules, check out template:infobox film. Andrzejbanas (talk) 09:56, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

It looks like imdb.com is responsible for the incorrect 60-min. running time that is listed on most internet sources. Apparently they confused CASA DEL TERROR with the re-edited Americanized Jerry Warren version ("Face of the Screaming Werewolf") which does run an hour! But I just watched the original Mexican movie the other day and it runs like 77 minutes. So the 60-minute thing is totally wrong. I will try to find a source for the real running time tonight when I get home.68.129.15.71 (talk) 21:48, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Release year
Looking at the source used for the 1959 year, here, it just lists 1959, but there is no indication of what the year stands for (release year? copyright here? etc.). We shouldn't claim it was released in 1959 if we do not have a source to back it up. The Chaney book also only states "Also in 1959, Chaney journedy to Mexico to star in La Casa Del Terror (The House of Terror), a horror comedy that also featured Mexican comedian Tin Tan." There is no mention of a premiere date. Please Stick to the source and do not assume premiere dates. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

I didn't say anything about a premiere date. I was just quoting the two sources I listed verbatim. They both refer to Casa del Terror as "a 1959 film". I just wrote EXACTLY what the sources stated. I didn't say anything about a premiere date.68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:20, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * You do know, (and i've told you on your talk page several times) that we use the year and phrase like "1959 film" meaning thats the year the film premiered. I've told you several times on your talk page that its how we apply a year to a film on Wikipedia. Please read MOS:FILM if you still don't understand that. In fact, i'll copy and past it for you here: ":For years in film articles, please follow these guidelines: Always go by the films' earliest release date, whether it be at a film festival, a world premiere, a public release, or the release in the country or countries that produced the film, excluding sneak previews or screenings." In other words, you need it to be a release date. The source in question you have entered do not state this. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:26, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Many reference books are referring to a film's release date without specifically giving the exact date. For example, they just write "SON OF FRANKENSTEIN" (1939)". To most readers, that means the film was made in 1939 and it was also released in 1939. It's the logical assumption to MOST readers, unless the author contradicts it. If the film was released a year or two later, they could either use the theatrical release date as the date, or they could put both dates into the article like "1960 (1963)". Don't you think many of the book publishers are referring to the release dates when they list a film's date next to it? Many authors do not know the exact date a film was theatrically released so they just write the year, and half the time, when they do list a specific date, it's wrong anyway, as in that "Screaming Werewolf" source you quoted.68.129.15.71 (talk) 20:38, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but its not specific. I've found several sources that say this film with 1959 as the year next to it. But it does not mean it was the year it was released. I used to think it was an okay source, but I believe it fails WP:STICKTOSOURCE. We have to only use thing if it explicitly states this. I feel like we've discussed this issue with the (19XX) year next to films endless time before on the Umberto Lenzi articles and others. If you wish for it to become the new accepted dates. Bring it up on WP:FILM's talk page. I have suggested this to you before, and from my records you have not attempted it. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

I see you left the Bruno Mattei films in chronological order on his filmography but with n/a written for most of the dates. But on the Umberto Lenzi page, you have the titles out of order. Wouldn't it be better at least to have the titles in chronological order (according to the dates on their various wiki pages)? at least until you can fill in the release dates? Each film already has a release date on its individual wiki page. At least then the titles would be in some kind of order. Just a suggestion. You could always shift them around later if you found a different date for a film.68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:15, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * If i had to lean toward a choice, I would lean towards having them not in order. Because one way we would be assuming things we don't have sources for. The fact that each film has a release date on its wiki page could be re-used if (and only if) it's got a source there. Again, we should not assume stuff we don't have sources for. If you've read MOS:FILM, I would suggest you read Citing sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:28, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
 * By the way, maybe its best to stick to discussion about topics not related to this films talk page on my talk page. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)