Talk:House of the Dragon

Did you know nomination
Why is an ad for an upcoming TV show on the front page of Wikipedia? Very distasteful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.224.43.118 (talk) 18:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

Opening sentence
, per WP:LEAD, we should open with the context in which this topic is notable. While Martin may be a notable reason, and while Ryan Condal most definitely is not (I had to create an article for him), House of Dragon is entirely notable as a prequel series to the TV series Game of Thrones. Why shouldn't Game of Thrones be mentioned first? WP:LEAD says, "For topics notable for only one reason, this reason should usually be given in the first sentence." This indicates that the most noteworthy aspect of the film should be more prominently placed than other aspects (which also means WP:UNDUE applies). Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 13:26, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Also, we should reject the notion that we should always have the directors/creators in the opening sentence every time. We are not worshipping them by default, and nothing in the policies or guidelines supports that approach. The most important element upfront will depend on the work. It could be the director, the actor(s), the source material, or something else. Erik (talk &#124; contrib) (ping me) 13:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * , I'd argue that the topic would be notable on its own even if wasn't a prequel to Game of Thrones. Simply being a television series on HBO would make it notable like the rest of their series. The prequel information is in the second sentence, not far removed from the first. Per WP:LEADSENTENCE: For topics notable for only one reason, this reason should usually be given in the first sentence and as I pointed out this topic is notable for multiple reasons, not just being a prequel. This also follows precedent set in most of the articles listed in Category:American prequel television series including Better Call Saul, Fear the Walking Dead, The Carrie Diaries, Mixed-ish, and Ratched just to name a few.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:54, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Bad article
Great job! This article is already a flop. No use reading anything here. --85.164.243.207 (talk) 10:51, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
 * lol, you could be a bit more specific! Deathlibrarian (talk) 07:59, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

200 or 300 years?
Hanberke (talk) 07:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Main page DYK: .. that the upcoming television series House of the Dragon takes place 300 years before Game of Thrones and chronicles the beginning of the end of House Targaryen?
 * Article: According to Condal, the series is set 200 years before the events of Game of Thrones, covering the events surrounding the great civil war within the royal House Targaryen known as the Dance of the Dragons.
 * It's 300 years. Someone keeps on changing it despite what sources say. SL93 (talk) 08:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * It's 200 years. The "300 years" was written by some incompetent intern who read the back cover of Fire & Blood and called it a day. --85.164.243.207 (talk) 09:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * One user changed it in the lead to 200 years and provided a source, but it's a whole 40 min video and no specific timestamp was given. Their hidden comment in the lead says: "The current HBO website erroneously copy-pasted the description for the book Fire & Blood, not realize it's an anthology that begins 300 years ago, but House of the Dragon is actually adapting the second half." I'm only here because someone flagged this at WP:ERRORS regarding the DYK post of "300 years". The years has since been removed from the hook. I've got no preference on this topic.—Bagumba (talk) 09:35, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
 * In the premiere episode, the opening scene, in which Viserys is designated heir to King Jaehaerys, takes place in the year 101. An intertitle is shown after this scene which states that "it is now the ninth year of King Viserys Targaryen's reign".  172 years before the death of the Mad King, Aerys, and the birth of his daughter, Princess Daenerys".  This is more than than nine years after the opening scene, because presumably Jaehaerys reigned a few more years.  So according to the show itself, it starts a little more than 181 years before Daenerys' birth, which in  turn happened about 18-20 years before the beginning of GOT (since that's how old she is at the beginning of the series). So 200 years is a very close estimate.2600:6C50:800:2787:7916:98B1:F5C:EAE1 (talk) 04:21, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
 * also Daenerys is supposed to be born in the year 283 or 284 (https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/174687/do-we-know-when-daenerys-targaryen-was-born). That's 183 years after the opening scene of HOD.  Again, if Daenerys is 18 at the start of GOT, that's just over 200 years from first scene of HOD to first scene of GOT.2600:6C50:800:2787:7916:98B1:F5C:EAE1 (talk) 04:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh... he says it from 12:30 to 13:00 in that interview, "200". Combined with the fact that they've admitted through casting releases that it's about Rhaenyra, Daemon, Alicent, and other Dance characters. --24.186.101.72 (talk) 00:18, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Episode redirects and articles
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broadcast trouble
Is it worth mentioning that the viewer load apparently locked many viewers out of the premier? House of the Dragon: HBO Max Crashes as Millions of Game of Thrones Fans Tune in for Series Premiere - IGN 2600:6C67:1C00:5F7E:F5B8:43BD:EAB0:E531 (talk) 15:41, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Ratings
I seem to be approaching WP:3RR territory with my attempts to abide by (at least my interpretation of) MOS:TVAUDIENCE which states: "Information about audience viewership should use reliably sourced official ratings data, such as Nielsen ratings (US), Numeris (CAN), BARB (UK), OzTAM (AU) and similar reliable sources" I know there can be a predisposition among a show's fans to paint a show's viewership in the best light possible, and while I have no reason to dispute HBO's estimate of 9.99M viewers across TV and streaming (and of course that is the number being parroted across most industry media), the fact remains that it's self-reported by HBO, and not something (at least at this point) verified by an external ratings provider like Nielsen which only reports linear TV viewership. I think it's fine to note that this is something HBO is claiming, but not to include in other tabular data unless/until it's externally verified. Am I off-base here? — stickguy (:^›)— &#124;&#124; talk &#124;&#124; 16:30, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
 * The matter seems to have been resolved. 🙂 — stickguy (:^›)— &#124;&#124; talk &#124;&#124; 14:30, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
 * It may have something to do with the number of articles out there reporting the 'all inclusive' numbers claimed by HBO. Since the show has just been renewed there will be more people reading and not understanding the context of what is being reported. There's also the issue of those numbers being used on the episode article itself for the premiere too. 2A00:23C8:5228:1601:DD20:4A32:C5A3:879C (talk) 11:12, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Episode titles (3-10)
Right now, the titles of episodes 3 to 10 are given without any source. Is there any valid source supporting them, or should we remove them?--RR (talk) 18:37, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
 * They are indeed sourced, but using the column reference (beside "Title") instead of each individual row. Because it's using the same reference (Rotten Tomatoes), it's just easier to use it once at the top of the table, instead of each episode. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:27, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

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Should we not include the dates when new episodes will stream?
Clear your schedule for Sunday evenings this fall. All episodes will air on HBO and HBO Max at 9 p.m. eastern. https://www.townandcountrymag.com/leisure/arts-and-culture/a40811323/got-house-of-the-dragon-release-schedule-hbo/ Peter K Burian (talk) 20:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The air dates are in the episode table. Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:37, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

HBO's reported viewership on HBO Max
Given that these numbers can't be independently verified as of yet by Nielsen are they really worth including in the article? I feel there's a lot of confusion over the way the viewership section is written which is causing IP editors to think the 9.99 million, 10.2 million etc is the live rating for the broadcast on HBO. There's also the issue of HBO Max's reported combined linear & streaming numbers being used on the 'episode articles' over the actual verifiable Nielsen ratings. I thought only Nielsen ratings can be used on pages? 2A00:23C8:5228:1601:543F:46A9:B9FE:733A (talk) 21:34, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

It is clearly said that they are numbers from all platforms. As far as independent analysts go, they don't have full access to all Warner platforms. And even then the numbers they report are an estimate based on a sample. Nielsen bases its rating and viewership estimates on a sample size of 40,000. It's not like they're installed in every household. Whereas WB/HBO at least has control and access to its own platforms. Nielsen ratings are only used for TV viewership and not streaming or overall viewership on Wikipedia unless there's data from them. There's no confusion here and we are not prohibited from using first party sources. Linkin Prankster (talk) 08:01, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

Showrunners
It's stated in the article that Alan Taylor is going to become a co-showrunner. Is he though? There were news about him stepping in as a director and excl. prod., not in a showrunner's role ScanCom (talk) 12:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * It's been fixed. An editor incorrectly added this information. Per the sources, Taylor is joining as director/exec. producer, and Condal will be the sole showrunner. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:53, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Ryan Condal statements and accusations from readers of revisionism and race-swapping
The title speaks for itself, why this topic keeps getting removed from the article with no valid explaination and contradicting the neutrality it was told me about that continues seemingly to be violated by the same people talked to me about and constantly reverting my edits? 151.44.52.32 (talk) 16:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Edit war
151.44.52.32 and, you 2 appear to be engaged in an edit war. Please discuss your edits here on the talk page so consensus can be reached for the edit. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:08, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

Already started a discussion about this just above this one. Why don't you rewrite this advice there? 151.44.52.32 (talk) 16:11, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The edits from 151.44.52.32 are poorly written, full of hyperbole and editorializing that does not match the quality of the rest of the article.  is a long time and prolific wikipedia contributor while 151.44.52.32 doesn't even have an account or any edit history beyond this article Woahitsraj (talk) 16:12, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I made the most neutral version of this topic I could. I added the full quote from Condal from the interview with EW. The IP is adding unreliable and biased sources (Newsweek post-2013 is generally considered unreliable and Daily Signal is a biased right-wing website); and adding phrases such as "revisionism", "blackwashing", "wokewashing", "controversial", "white guilt", which are nowhere to be found in any of the sources used. The IP is adding their own opinion by claiming the creators statement as being "controversial" and then linking that word to "white guilt". Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't say it was poorly written, it was pretty specific and detailed, and I didn't notice grammar errors. I was simply reporting controversial facts confirmed also by the sources and I tried to be neutral as possible as I was editing along (I also removed the link to white guilt article because I initially thought it was in an appropriate context, and used controversial instead of racist). And the accusations of revisionism and blackwashing/wokewashing were real, didn't you read? Not to mention we have articles here and other Wikipedias talking about them. Plus, this is a poor and unjustifiable excuse, you don't have to have a nickname account to edit on Wikipedia and even to create a voice o section. 151.44.52.32 (talk) 16:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * IP, while I agree the fact that you're just an IP address while Drove has an account here on Wikipedia (and has been editing for 13 years which is why I warned you for edit warring but not them as they should know better), I don't think they are using the fact that you're an IP as an excuse for their edit being "right". ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:27, 6 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I believe the same IP was adding a bunch of agenda pushing stuff recently and edit warring over it. I don't have an account here myself but I removed some of what he added and got reverted recently by an admin before they protected the page. I think you should look at restoring the edit I made as its a valid one and was missed by drovethrughosts. 2A00:23C8:5228:1601:BC1F:72A8:FEBD:5444 (talk) 18:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Character spoilers?
Should the character descriptions include advanced spoilers of the show? These have been taken from the book, and list upcoming marriages and births that haven't yet been aired. I think for the majority of people, character actor names would be sufficient without biographies about what will come to pass this season, or even next. 185.222.21.204 (talk) 21:05, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Per WP:SPOILER spoilers are allowed. Debresser (talk) 21:20, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * have all of these characters futures actually been confirmed to be happening in the TV show? Or has this been assumed from the book and it will be faithful? I'd edit them out until it is fully confirmed. 185.222.21.204 (talk) 23:30, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, these need to come out - we have no idea whether the show will follow the plotline of the books and we shouldn't have supposition in here. Equally, because we know that they likely will follow the books, it's also unexpected spoilers for stuff that hasn't aired, which is unfair on readers (such as myself!), especially when that level of detail isn't often found in character sections. But the first point is why it definitely needs to go. HornetMike (talk) 18:04, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The character descriptions for this page should be not detailed and relatively spoiler free. There should certainly not be spoilers based on events from the book that have not yet occurred in the show. Refer to the GOT article cast and characters section--that's about how detailed the character list on a show's main page should be. Essentially, the character descriptions on a show's main page should present information about the character as they appear in their first episode. RaCJ1325 (talk) 05:39, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree though that spoilers must come only from aired episodes, not from the book/unaired episodes. Debresser (talk) 21:56, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 8 September 2022
Replace "Also, the king relents and sends aid to the Stepstones as Daemon, Lord Corlys, his brother Vaemond, and the remaining House Velaryon soldiers fight a losing battle against Triarchy forces. Ser Laenor arrives on his dragon Seasmoke and helps defeat the enemy. Daemon kills the Crabfeeder." in Episode 3's summary with "After receiving a call for aid from Corlys's nephew, Viserys relents and sends aid to the Stepstones. Seeing the arrival of his brother's aid as the end of his opportunity to prove himself, Daemon uses himself as bait to ambush and slaughter the Triarchy, killing the Crabfeeder in the ensuing battle." Ash-Greninja (talk) 01:36, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Full-protection-unlocked.svg Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 04:02, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I have since edited this as the new text was overly wordy, awkward, and laden with clumsy prepositional phrasing. It also uses a passive, rather than an active voice. PNW Raven (talk) 13:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Editor Debressor continually reverts my edits in the Episode 3 summary and is engaging in edit war behavior. The last sentence has multiple issues: it is overly long and wordy and uses multiple prepositional phrases that creates a choppy sentence structure. He claims he did not write the text, but acts possessively over it as if there is some personal connection. He never attempts to improve the text, but instead reverts it back. I've continually made different edits (not reverting) to find some consensus, but his action is always to revert everything, claiming an "edit war", and refusing to allow any changes.PNW Raven (talk)


 * First of all, my name is "De Bresser". Secondly, what are you blabbering about a personal connection? Do you think my last name is Targaryen? Or Martin? So what are you insinuating?
 * I think that "Seeing the arrival of his brother's aid as the end of his opportunity to prove himself, Daemon uses himself as bait to ambush and slaughter the Triarchy, killing the Crabfeeder in the ensuing battle." is a very clear sentence, and better than "As Viserys's ships arrive, Daemon, believing this will prevent his proving himself a leader, becomes the bait to ambush the Triarchy forces, killing the Crabfeeder in the ensuing battle." I mean "becomes the bait"? Who made him bait? He himself did. Then say so! Also, I think that Deamon wants to prove himself. Period. Not a leader, not a prince, just prove himself. That is in his character. So why add "a leader"? It is not needed. In general, I am only restoring the previous version, which you decided to change for no good reason, so per WP:BRD please show consensus for you insistence on your preferred version. Debresser (talk) 22:36, 11 September 2022 (UTC)


 * First of all, your name may be De Bresser, but your editor name shows as "Debresser," and that is what I addressed you as, and why would I know your real name, so what are you blathering about? Secondly, I clearly listed my reasons for the changes, but every attempt to improve the clumsy sentence structure, wordy text, overusing prepositional phrasing, passive voice, etc. was reverted by you. I stated that you are acting possessively by refusing to allow any improvements. I changed most of the summary for very good reason: it was poorly written. Saying you "think" Daemon just wants to "prove himself" is vague and unhelpful. What does he want to prove? Is he a good leader, a good prince, or maybe just a great tap dancer. Who knows? I actually wanted to eliminate the "bait" wording altogether and wrote that he feigned surrender, but that was reverted, as was everything else. PNW Raven (talk) 02:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Wow, you noticed the space that is the difference between my real name and my username. Congratulations.
 * Since you didn't understand me the first time, I will explain myself better, hopefully. The character of the Daemon character is such that he wants to prove himself. Period. In whatever field, or whatever role or function. Not necessarily as a leader. In this case more likely as a warrior. But, again, that is besides the point. The point is that he needs to prove himself, in whatever it would be. Debresser (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I didn't "notice" the space difference between your real and username, but solely went by how it is spelled here. I completely understood you the first time, but disagreed, so please stop explaining yourself.PNW Raven (talk) 13:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * You should not edit your previous comment after I replied to it. Don't know how long you have been active on Wikipedia, but please review WP:TALK.
 * You waited two whole days to reply. Might as well have left the dead horse alone. Aparenly WP:DEADHORSE is another thing you never heard of. Or find it hard to implement.
 * In any case, please stop replying to my comments, as you replies serve no purpose other than to prove that other editors best stay far away from you. Debresser (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

And please stop replying to my comments, as your only purpose is to "have the last word." The Dead Horse guideline does not apply here. PNW Raven (talk) 16:37, 14 Sep

Sources for episode summaries
After I saw the following two edit summaries, I would like to know if it is okay to incorporate in the episode summaries information that can not be inferred from the episodes themselves. I am referring to I personally am not sure that this is not a good idea. Is there anything in Wikipedia policies and guidelines about this? Debresser (talk) 22:48, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
 * "Daemon's inability to have sex with Rhaenyra is not "conjecture" and is confirmed by the show's producers in the the episode's post-show discussion."
 * "As explained in the after show discussion on HBOMax, Daemon is impotent (their word) in the moment, unable to become sexually aroused with his niece, rather than having a moral crisis in the moment."
 * I think No original research is probably the best policy to cite here. According to Manual of Style/Television, the plot section of television episodes should only include basic descriptions, not an analytical interpretation of why something happened in an episode. Having said that, that doesn't mean it should be excluded from the article entirely, it may be useful for the reader to be included in the "reception" section. --   LuK3      (Talk)   12:42, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I was the one that called it a conjecture. I personally don't think it belongs in the plot description, especially when two people in the post-show discussion gave somewhat varying interpretations to what happened. Also, it's been that one single user who kept trying to add that content back. Estariel (talk) 04:12, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Should an episode summary not be a summary of what has happened in that episode? Outside speculation or prior knowledge of things not related to an episode don't feel relevant or required.2A00:23C8:5228:1601:88F7:A266:EAB6:7E28 (talk) 11:21, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Directors
Clare Kilmer is confirmed as the director of 1.05 and 1.09, per IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0453270/ Hyphenation (talk) 21:22, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
 * IMDB is not reliable as it's user-submitted (WP:IMDB). Not saying what's there is not accurate, but we need reliable sources to add information for upcoming episodes. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:45, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Recurring cast list does not follow MOS:TVCAST
Just a heads up that the current 'Recurring' cast listing does not follow MOS:TVCAST – in the case of this series, I would advise organizing the 'Recurring' cast listing in order of when a character first appears. But for example, "baby" Eagon isn't even listed there, and Laena Velaryon first appears (as a child, in ep's #1 & #2) before even Eagon does. It just gets worse from there...

Someone is going to have to reorder this list in order of character appearance, as per MOS:TVCAST. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with above, I'm going to further and say the entire Cast & characters section needs to be overhauled. This probably would be best to do after the first season airs. There are too many main cast/recurring/guest roles that need to be hashed out in accordance with the MOS. --   LuK3      (Talk)   13:59, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Regarding Cast and characters.
Can't we separate the blacks and the greens in the section of cast. The show is about it. I think it will be better to understand which characters belongs to which side. Kindly see my edit that was just got reversed and review it. I didn't add anything just separated the characters as it should be. Talking about Viserys for me he was black as he supported her daughter most also he wanted her to be the queen. That's why he was in blacks section. Also the only major character that died in s1. I tried to edit it in the style of game of thrones. Also I want to request to create a separate page for casts like game of thrones so we can elaborate about characters more. 27.62.226.241 (talk) 14:08, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment: For Season 1, I don't think it would be appropriate yet. If we follow the books for now, it might be more complicated than simply separating characters into 2 camps. Some characters may want to stand aloof for quite a while before being forced into one camp or the other. Other characters may change sides (sometimes more than once) when it is to their advantage to do so. (e.g., Walder Frey and Roose Bolton in Game of Thrones) The show runners may throw some surprises into their story with some of the minor characters to make things harder to predict. -- 50.231.49.42 (talk) 15:13, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose There is nothing in the series about "blacks" and "greens". Perhaps this was taken from the books, but we can't use that here. Obviously, this may change as new episodes see the light.
 * p.s. I am aware that "green" was mentioned as the color of war of the Hightowers. That s not enough. Debresser (talk) 16:22, 20 October 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose. We generally don't separate cast based on in-universe reasons such as perceived allegiances or factions. We follow actor credit order per MOS:TVCAST. If season articles are created, it may be beneficial to group recurring/guest characters in the same way they are done in the Game of Thrones season articles (by location), such as here. What needs to be stop happening is the changing of the order of the cast, as that it needs to follow credit order or the moving of starring actors to the recurring list; for example, 27.62.226.241 moved Graham McTavish to recurring when he receives opening credits billing. Also, stop add "deceased" to character descriptions, these are fictional characters not real people and we write about fiction in present tense. Drovethrughosts (talk) 17:11, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

So, I agree with your comments. Yes it might be not appropriate to separate the camps since it might happen in season 2. Yes, some characters will switch sides but we can mention that in their description anyways. There is greens and blacks, (watch the trailer of ep.10, read the title of ep. 9 and 10. What to do with dead fictional characters if we can't write their ultimate demise? I will still ask to consider separating greens and blacks not now but maybe after season 1 ends. We can't really separate them on the basis of location like game of thrones because they constantly changes their living location. I didn't really change their order I added description mentioning the premise which is according to the opening credits. Also I just mentioned blacks first then greens. Then recurring blacks then greens and so on. Kindly consider separating them as they should be maybe after the end of season 1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.62.252.85 (talk) 17:59, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

Comparisons with Rings of Power section
"The Rings of Power's first two episodes had more than 1.25 billion minutes of streaming minutes, compared to more than 780 million for House of the Dragon according to Nielsen and first-party data." Comparing the two-episode premiere of Rings of Power and the third week of HOTD is incredibly arbitrary. The current phrasing at first glance also read like the first two episodes of HOTD only reached 780m minutes, which is obviously not accurate.

We know from Nielsen that episodes 1 and the first few hours of episode 2 were good for 1068m minutes watched. Note that this includes the 327m minutes episode 1 had already brought in during the first few hours counted in the week prior. By week three this had increased to 1849m minutes total. Given all of this, it seems much more prudent to compare the performance of the first two episodes. We can't include the 1849m minutes because we don't know much the third episode contributed. It's also important to keep in mind that any comparisons will cover a vastly different timeframe. So I propose the following, which paints a more accurate picture: "According to Nielsen and first-party data, The Rings of Power's first two episodes had more than 1.25 billion minutes of streaming minutes after three days of availability. In comparison, a few hours after the episode two premiere of House of the Dragon, the show had reached more than 1.06 billion minutes of streaming minutes."

The same section also reads: "According to Nielsen data, The Rings of Power is more popular with older viewers, with more than 70% of viewers being over the age of 35." Without access to the total viewer numbers, we don't know which show was more popular in this age segment. What the article cited actually states is the following: "According to Nielsen data, The Rings of Power has a higher percentage of older viewers, with more than 70% of viewers being over the age of 35." 217.120.0.156 (talk) 19:04, 1 January 2023 (UTC)


 * We need more sources to put up for the comparisons. CastJared (talk) 11:47, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * It might require some editing to avoid duplicate information, but this article already references "It later estimated that the episode was watched by 10.6 million viewers on HBO Max in the first four days, with the number increasing to 14.5 million when including the viewership on the main HBO channel". That same source also lists 12.6 million US viewers for Rings of Power during the first four days. In fact, this might be the most direct comparison available online. 217.120.0.156 (talk) 19:04, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

HBO controversies draft article
Hi, I know that HBO made controversies surrounding it's original programming as a draft, as Draft:HBO controversies. CastJared (talk) 14:29, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

Ser Criston Cole - Cast and characters section
Would it be appropriate to mention that Criston Cole becomes Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, which happens in Season 1 Episode 9 “The Green Council”, in the cast and characters section? JamesVilla44 (talk) 19:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I would say definitely. Debresser (talk) 09:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Recent edit wars about citation?
I'll admit, this is a better class of disagreement (for which we thank you), but I must chide both User:CastJared and User:Indagate for both being at 3RR. As opposed to warning you two individually, I thought I'd start a discussion thread, which one of you should have already done (both of you are experienced trusted users) so you can hash things out on talk. Take this as a warning, folks. No more mainspace edits on this dispute from either of you or I will block the offender. Please, discuss yourselves out of trouble. Thanks for all your efforts. BusterD (talk) 14:02, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm going to take a liberty and weigh in on this dispute, which is unusual for me. Neither of the supplied sources (screenrant nor variety) support the assertion of "June 2024". Screenrant says 2024 and nothing more. Variety says summer 2024 and claims their source says the show will not appear in time for the May 31, 2024 Emmy deadline. Claiming June 2024 is original synthesis, based on just these two sources. This is NOT a reasonable calculation, it's simply an uncited claim. BusterD (talk) 14:41, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Euphoria is the same thing as involved, as it claiming October 2024, and clash release dates each. CastJared (talk) 15:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
 * What? I don't understand your post. BusterD (talk) 18:30, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Draft:List of House of the Dragon characters
Like Draft:List of The White Lotus characters, this could end up splitting. CastJared (talk) 13:02, 13 April 2023 (UTC)


 * This submission has been declined. I am going to remove the proposed split template from the article. — Manti  core  01:39, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Articles for Viserys, Rhaenyra, and Daemon?
Just asking should we give Viserys, Rhaenyra, and Daemon wikipedia articles? HiGuys69420 (talk) 04:04, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Dedicated article for each season?
Should there be a dedicated article for each season? What do people think? JDiala (talk) 04:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)


 * We had it for Game of Thrones, same should be done here. Vestrian24Bio ( TALK  ) 05:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Drafts exist at Draft:House of the Dragon season 1 and Draft:House of the Dragon season 2. -- Alex_ 21 TALK 07:31, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I think it's an excellent idea. MaskedSinger (talk) 07:34, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Only when there's enough information that can be included to warrant a split, use the drafts for now. Indagate (talk) 07:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Book vs Show
Should we include a section detailing differences between the book and show? HiGuys69420 (talk) 05:11, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * Do you have reliable sources that discuss the differences? -- Alex_ 21 TALK 06:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)