Talk:Houses of Visconti

Article name
If we look at the traditional way, the article should be named House of Visconti and not Houses of Visconti. If there are no objections, I will rename the article. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 14:50, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Actually, I've red talk of House of Visconti, so my question is no longer relevant. Arthistorian1977 (talk) 14:56, 24 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks. As I wrote in the talk of House of Visconti, from there I copied here the part in common to the Visconti of Milan and to the Visconti of Pisa and Sardinia and that therefore could not be placed in one of the two articles. --Bg69 (talk) 12:35, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Genealogy of Pope Gregory X
At least a couple of sources indicate that Pope Gregory X, Teobaldo Visconti, is a great-grandson of Otto II Visconti, who appears to be the paternal grandfather of Ottone Visconti & great-great-grandfather of Matteo I Visconti.:







I have not come across anything that I consider a reliable source yet, but where there is smoke ...

Peaceray (talk) 21:56, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


 * A good reference is the biography of the pope in the, where in the first lines it is stated that he "belonged to the Visconti family of that city (Piacenza), which was not related to the Milanese house bearing the same name" ("appartenne alla famiglia cittadina dei Visconti, non imparentata con l'omonima casata milanese.")
 * In the first link (Papal Genealogy: The Families and Descendants of the Popes), the supposed relationship of the pope to the Visconti of Milan (note 10 at page 34) comes from Lorenz, Genealogisches Handbuch, Table 14, published in 1895. Being very old, it should be considered superseded by the bibliography of the Dizionario Biografico degli italiani (at the end of the article above). Moreover, considering the Visconti of Milan, there are at least a couple of errors in the genealogy table at page 33:


 * 1) "Eriprando, Viscount of Milan (d. 1065)" is father of Ottone, but actually Ariprando and his son Ottone were both alive October 4th, 1075, when they attended and signed together four legal documents in Milan; they are published in, document numbers 557 to 560;
 * 2) "Otto (d. 1295)" is father of the brothers Matteo and Uberto. That Otto can only be the archbishop Ottone, who died in 1295. Actually, the father of the two brothers was Tebaldo and the archbishop Ottone was their great-uncle.
 * It is a pity that at pp. 34-35 a detailed presentation of the Visconti of Milan has been added to the chapter on the Visconti of Piacenza. Strange also is that, in the genealogy table of page 33, two of the children of Guido Visconti have the surname "of Geneva". The table ends up to mix two families (Visconti of Milan and the noble family of Geneva) with the very few known members of the Visconti of Piacenza.
 * The other two links have no clear references. --Bg69 (talk) 20:26, 14 May 2019 (UTC)