Talk:Hovenweep National Monument

Comments welcome
Began this article as a companion to the Ancient Pueblo Peoples and other Southwest native people articles. Comments welcome. WBardwin 09:46, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Wolf berry
What is meant here by "wolf berry"? The article wolfberry describes two species native to China, with a note pointing to Symphoricarpos. Is the latter intended here? Thanks &mdash; Pekinensis 03:56, 12 August 2005 (UTC)


 * good question -- there is a nightshade berry native to the wetlands of Southern North America - Carolina Wolf-berry Lycium carolinianum. But that is probably not what is referred to here, in a very desert environment.  A Lycium sp. (Wolf-berry) is described as a desert plant, with usually spiny brances and leaves in clusters.   Will continue looking............  WBardwin 03:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This section snatched from an online discussion of Southwest native plants might provide a source:
 * Rea, Amadeo M. At the Desert's Green Edge, An Ethnobotany of the Gila River Pima Sumi-e illustrations by Takashi Ijichi.  University of Arizona Press, 1997.  ISBN 0816515409.
 * In Shreve and Wiggins (1964) Vegetation and Flora of the Sonoran Desert, the authors have about 10 pages on Lycium spp. Some keying infor, but no drawings or photos, though.  A source that has given me some hope of figuring out Lycium spp. around Phx is Amadeo Rea's At the Desert's Green Edge: An Ethnobotany of the Gila River Pima.  As Lycium fruits were an important food source for the Gileños, there is some effort to nail things down in the book.  Of course, the discussion is limited to a few species (2 or 3?) and to the lower Gila drainage.  Even if it doesn't answer all of your Lycium questions, the Rea book is a treasure trove of information about native plants.  WBardwin 03:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

"Park System"
I just modified the sentence: President Warren G. Harding proclaimed Hovenweep a unit of the National Park System on March 2, 1923. Even though National Parks and the National Park Service were well established in 1923, the term "National Park System" was created by the National Park System General Authorities Act of 1970 (Pubic Law 91–383 (August 18, 1970) / 84 Stat. 825 / 16 USC 1a-1). &mdash; Eoghanacht  talk 15:01, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Navajo / Ute on Hovenweep
I've moved the following to the discussion tab for the following reasons:
 * "===Navajo and Ute nations===
 * Nomadic Southern Athapaskan speaking peoples, given the name Navajo by the Spanish, succeeded the Pueblo people in this region by approximately AD 1620 to 1650. Ute tribal groups also frequented this region, primarily during hunting and raiding activities.  The modern Navajo Nation lies southeast of Hovenweep, and many Navajo (more appropriately known as the Diné) live in surrounding areas, particularly near the San Juan River."

1) If the Ute and Navajo did not want to travel on the land of the Hovenweep ruins, it's not a great idea to suggest that they might have lived there. 2) Having a hard time finding credible citations for this information. 3) I wonder if the original point of this paragraph was that they lived in the area, which was true - just possibly not at Hovenweep. Any thoughts about this? Credible sources?  Thanks!--CaroleHenson (talk) 06:13, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

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Copy edit needed
There are a few spots in this article where copy edit is needed. I'll put it on my ever-growing list. Dgndenver (talk) 02:43, 26 July 2022 (UTC)