Talk:How the Grinch Stole Christmas!

Why this is not a case for a redirect page
Hi-- Redirect pages are usually used for completely different topics that happen to have the same name. But the Grinch TV show and movies are adaptations of the original book, and really belong in the same article.

I've altered this article so that people who only bother to read the beginning of it will have it made clear to them that the article covers the TV show and film as well as the book.

Maybe people who have seen and know about the movie might like to add some discussion of it.

I hope this seems reasonable. Opus33 00:14, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

So this is the title?
I've always known the book as "The Grinch who stole Christmas", not "How the Grinch Stole Christmas". Not really sure why and I don't know where my copy of the book is and Google doesn't seem to be helping me at the moment. Also the film was known as "The Grinch" in the UK as far as I know. violet/riga 21:10, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, this is definitely the title of the book -- including the exclamation point. --Modemac 00:47, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * You know, ever since the time I first read the book and understood the meanings of all the words, I always thought the book should be corrected to read "How the Grinch borrowed Christmas!". Since he gave it back, he only borrowed it even if his original intent was to not return it.71.72.17.111 (talk) 20:40, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Electro-Who-Cardio-Shnoox
Quote: "The purity of the verse is increased by the fact that Seuss avoided introducing made-up words intended to fit the meter (for example, "Jill-ikka-Jast" or "Sala-ma-goox", both from Scrambled Eggs Super)." Well, Seuss did make up at least one word to fit the rhymes: the Great Big Electro-Who-Cardio-Shnoox. But this is just quibbling. --Modemac 00:47, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Hi Modemac, Your remark filled me with scholarly alarm, so I rechecked my copy. A great relief--no "Electro-Who-Cardio-Shnoox" anywhere.  Is this perhaps from the TV or movie version?  Thanks, Opus33 02:58, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's the TV special. In the very beginning, the Grinch describes the young Whos playing with their toys: "...There's one thing I hate all the noise, noise, noise.  And they'll make shrieks and squeels racing round on their wheels, they'll dance with ting-tinglers tied on to their heels.  They'll blow their blue-toopers, they'll bang their ta-tinkers.  They'll blow their Who-whoopers, they'll bang their gar-dinkers.  They'll beat their drum-dinkers, they'll slam their slew-slumpers.  They'll beat their flung-floopers, they'll slam their who-wunkers.   And they'll play noisy games like zoo-zinger-car-zay -- a roller skate kind of lacrosse and croquet.  Then they'll make ear splitting noises galooks on their great big electro-who-cardio-shnoox."  I was of the impression that the TV special recited the words of the book, word for word, so I always thought this passage was there in the book. --Modemac 09:23, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Modemac. Opus33 15:46, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Latin Translation
Is the Latin Translation really so important or relevant? I'm thinking about deleting. Charles (Kznf) 02:48, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Since it is one of the only translations of the book, and one that has been highly praised by classicists, it would appear to be noteworthy.Benami 15:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Professor Tunberg (both of them, really) are hot in the world of classics (as hot as Latinists can be, I suppose). It, Catus Petasatus and Winni ille Pu are I think the only three books ever to make the Times bestseller list. Definitely worth keeping. Of more questionable relevance is under the film part, the sentence about the word "Grinch" being in much larger letters than the rest of the movie title.--Josh Rocchio 05:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Whoville
My inquiry is what town did Dr Suess base "Whoville" on. My understanding in many of the Suess stories - Springield street names are used.

Is there any history of what town "Whoville" is based on. --207.194.239.145, 21:55, 3 April 2006

No. Sorry.--Planetary 05:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It appears to be more likely that Whoville is based on La Jolla CA, and not Easthampton MA, according to research done by The Daily Hampshire Gazette. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.119.165.169 (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Easthampton, Ma is NOT Whoville. Everyone stop saying it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.116.161.100 (talk) 17:54, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

In Dr. Seuss's history, Easthampton IS the town he based Whoville on, AND Mt. Tom IS Mt. Crumpit. Sorry Californians..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.179.119.99 (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Without a reliable source, there is nothing to discuss here. - Sum mer PhD  (talk) 00:16, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Welcome Christmas (Fah Who) song
I am surprised that there is no information on this song (With the first line going Fah who foraze, Da who doraze), other than a passing mention. I'm sure many people would like to know more about its origins. I found an interesting site (|Welcome Christmas! The Story of a Holiday Hymn), but I have no idea whether it's true or not. Does anybody know more? Canadian Joeldude 23:51, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Character Page Creation
I'm about to create a character page for the Grinch. My many, reasonable reasons for this include:


 * The Grinch character has been featured in far more than just this story. He is in Grinch Night, The Grinch Grinches the Cat in the Hat, and a series of books by Random House.
 * A culturally significant character, he is on several T-Shirts, and the character himself is parodied several more times than included in this article.
 * There are almost no character descriptions. The few references to his character ONLY show the Christmas stand point. We're talking two official, Dr. Seuss-written Sing-Alongs that are completely ignored.
 * The Grinch is a far more superior culturally than his story. If anything, this article should be redirected to a page about the Grinch.
 * With tons of fan-sites (for reasons I don't understand), I felt that it would be a nescessary article.

You can reply with your opinions, but unless you have SPECIFIC Wikipedia rules to deny creation of such an culturally important article, please don't expect me to stop production. --Dmurawski, 04:18, 15 November 2006

40th Anniversary Special ripoff?
At first viewing, the featurette at the end of the 40th Anniversary airing last night was nothing more than the 1994 version with Tom Bergeron pasted in in place of Phil Hartman. Shot for shot and line for line. They even did the 'other voices' bit. DarkAudit 16:33, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


 * This really isn't the place for discussing this but, I thought all that stuff was boring and pointless. Smiley4000 16:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

No "Controversy" Section?
There's no mention of the controversy in the tv adaptation where the Whos in Whoville are singing a line that sounds like "Join the Ku Klux Klan." I'm serious. I seem to remember a big deal being made about it. On other pages with similar "sounds like" controversies, they at least mention it. I know that that's not what they are *actually* singing, but it's place in pop culture at least warrants a mention. -- 12.116.162.162 16:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject class rating
This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 13:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:The Grinch.jpg
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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Cartoon Adaptation
Forgive me. I'm not to this Wiki project. I should have read the protocol pages before making edits.

I believe that the following link is a justifiable reference for this article.

Adaptation The Grinch and Mr. Who

It is a clear adaptation of the original story and extends it meaning in a constructive way. The link is not to a commercial site and it not being included for advertising purposes. There are many articles with such links and I value them enormously as to many others.

Dbschell (talk) 23:11, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

grinch is an english word
grinch is an english word originating from the title of this book. maybe that is notable for the article? 70.80.57.57 (talk) 23:23, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

opening
It looks ike someone messed up the opening paragraphs of the article. It says something abot a fear of children. Was that deliberate?

76.226.44.95 (talk) 16:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

First appearance of the Grinch
Sorry I don't have any proof, but I distinctly remember seeing what later became the book, in weekly pre-Christmas installments in the Washingtom Post. (I was about 8 years old at the time.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.54.169.90 (talk) 09:25, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Semi-autobiographical?
I remember reading that Seuss was writing about his own feelings about Christmas when he wrote the book. Part of the argument was that it wasn't just a coincidence that he used the line "for fifty-three years I've put up with it now", and the book was published when he was 53 years old. 24.114.215.201 (talk) 15:42, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Plot
The plot description here might belong to the Chuck Jones TV special and not the book, according to the version of the text here: http://web.mit.edu/tere/www/text/grinch.txt But the illustrations may fill in some elements that are missing in the words. I don't have the book here, so maybe someone else who has it can check? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belmontian (talk • contribs) 18:36, 19 December 2017 (UTC)