Talk:Howard Beach, Queens

Geography (Borders)
If Lindenwood is part of Howard Beach and it's north of the Belt Parkway, then the northern border cannot be the Belt Parkway. If Hamilton Beach is part of Howard Beach and it's main (and eastern most) road is 104th Street, then 102nd street cannot be the eastern Border of Howard Beach. Likewise, for the homes east of 102 street and north of Coleman Square, they're on 103rd street. Coleman Square is at 103rd Street, and if the eastern border is at 102, street, that means the "Howard Beach Subway Station" isn't in Howard Beach.

CRIMNIALS with BASEBALL BATS
The description of the men as criminals is not very neutral, if the contributor is in the act of chronicalling CRIMNAL ACTS, then please explain where in the penal code it's okay to attack someone with a baseball bat? so the: "...criminals were attacked with baseball bats when caught attempting to steal a car in the neighborhood;..." should be changed to: "...men were CRIMINALLY attacked by CRIMINALS with baseball bats when caught attempting to steal a car in the neighborhood;"

One is an ATTEMPT at a crime, the other is a CRIME.

other stuff
This article is not very neutral. Someone should put one of those "the neutrality of this article is disputed" signs up.


 * I've looked through the article and have to ask, "Which parts do you feel are not neutral?", they can be changed.

Attempting the commission of a crime is still a crime. In this case, it would be attempted grand larceny or attempted grand theft auto. These are both very serious crimes. The hitting of the CRIMINALS with bats could very well be a crime, depending on the circumstances. You're right that one is definitely a crime, but incorrect about which one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.156.236.200 (talk) 23:31, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Neutrality Redux
Having just come across this page, I made one addition to the "Howard Beach Redux" section which recounts the events of the June attacks on three African-American men and speaks to the original question of neutrality given above. The original summary of "Redux" conveniently ends with the fact that one of the alleged attackers had gone after a Sikh mistaken for a Muslim in response to the September 11, 2001. The implication is clear: that was a bias attack, so clearly this is one as well. However, the facts of this case do not speak clearly to this implication, at least not to the extent that the author may wish. There is evidence, including the testimony of the victims themselves, that the victims were actually there to steal a car and had made threats to steal a chain from a perpetrator in the attacks. Obviously this does not justify the beating, but it is nonetheless relevant to the case and cannot be omitted if the author's intention (as it should be) is to give a clear account of what is known and what is hearsay. This is a central question of the incident and, pending further investigation, must be included in any factual summary so as not to provide a misleading indication of finality to what is known to have happened. Thus the additional sentence at the end of "Redux," and perhaps an example of a lack of neutrality as expressed above.

18:46, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Neutrality Redux Redux
The following edits:
 * all of whom had previous criminal records,
 * Upon autopsy, he was found to have had a near toxic level of cocaine in his bloodstream by a toxicologist.
 * despite the fact that one of the local teenagers was dating a black female, whom he was on good terms with at the time.


 * So is it okay to kill someone by chasing them onto the Belt Parkway if they have a Criminal Record?
 * Cocaine in the bloodstream is a defense for this?
 * Dating a Black female makes this okay?

Howard Beach redux
I dont feel the two incidents should be put together they are isolated.

This is hilarious
Parts of this article are so NPOV it's funny. Why would you bring up a racial incident that happened twenty years ago in this article about a community? A bunch of two-bit mooks hit some guys with baseball bats and all of a sudden that reflects the views of the entire neighborhood? Come on. Do you know how often crimes like that are committed? This would not be an issue if the New York Times and other New York media were not so inflammatory, trying to sell papers through "racial tension."


 * First of all, remember to sign your posts with four tildes  ~  so that we know who wrote what and when. The incidents listed were particularly notorious and heinous, above and beyond the every day mook-related racial incident. These incidents are notable, verifiable and encyclopedic. Twenty years is far to soon to right off incidents of this nature. Alansohn 20:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The racial incident in question is referrenced frequently with regards to race relations, partially because of the nature of the incident and because of the backlash that it invoked. 63.24.15.148 (talk) 18:59, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

If a neighborhood is defined by its crimes and criminals East New York is going to be 100 pages long. think about it.lets do a little research at the 75 pct....>willie> —Preceding unsigned comment added by Screenfirst (talk • contribs) 04:42, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

John Gotti Jr.
John Gotti Jr. lived here as well. Please confirm with independant sources, but I think it is an important part of the neighborhood's history. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.94.237.147 (talk) 21:30, 12 February 2007 (UTC).

I grew up on 85th Street in Howard Beach (1970 - 1992), the Gotti's also lived on 85th Street, a few blocks up. We had a few mutual friends & ran into each other many times. I remember the day his brother was killed riding a mini bike on the block. I can verify John Jr. & his siblings lived & grew up in H.B. They attended Robert H. Goddard J.H.S. & John Adams High School. I know his wife Kimmy, her parents & 2 sisters, they too are from H.B. 65.40.145.19 (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)Maddy (akanyr)65.40.145.19 (talk) 20:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

150 person Howard Beach march
This is completely factual. Here's a link.

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu5dL30NHl4cAiSVXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEybjZmajB2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMjAEY29sbwNhYzIEdnRpZAMEbANXUzE-/SIG=12kiqr9ut/EXP=1195716811/**http%3a//www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/11/howard_beach_ra.php

This is significant to the Halloween incident. I'm adding it back. 72.161.221.51 (talk) 08:07, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * inserted your link into article but also rewrote section to be more consistent with what was contained in your link and other link give in section 130.156.29.112 (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Bias Incidents
Maybe these sections should be moved to a separate article to avoid dominating this one. Thoughts? 130.156.30.59 (talk) 15:45, 22 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I think the bias incidents have undue weight. My opinion is to integrate them into the history section (which obviously needs to be worked on as well). Also I think the Demographics should be higher than them and Transportation. NyRoc (talk) 18:29, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Several things without citation
There are a few points I'd like to bring up here. One, there is no citation for the claim that 47.6% of Howard Beach is Italian American. I'd suspect that number is bloated and outdated and probably lower with modern immigration. Two, there are two different economic averages on the same page which hurt the integrity of the article. One claims $69,800, the other $82,000. And the one that says $82,000 says upper middle class next to it which is arbitrary. What income do you need to make to be considered that? It is also says where homes range from $650,000 to 2 million+. Two problems. One, this is probably outdated and written before the housing collapse. Two, there is no citation. Plus, this seems like an exaggeration. Most people average 70 to 80 thousand per year as a family couldn't reasonably afford a 7 figure priced home. I'll be deleting all of this until proper citation is provided. TomNyj0127 (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

''Italic

Just a few little things... Jack Korouac, the writer, wasn't from Howard Beach. He, however, DID do some writings on Linden Blvd and Crossbay Blvd in Ozone Park... he was never a resident of HB. The second... according to the IMDB (International Movie Data Base) there was no Danielle Kase in the movie Doubt .. no less opposite Meryl Streep. You can check www.imdb.com And what about William Sharkey, heavy weight boxer from Howard Beach? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taken by the Wind (talk • contribs) 02:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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