Talk:Howard Besser

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Berkeley

 * Did he live in berkeley for a while, while as student or on faculty at UC?Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:38, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Still maintains a residence in Berkeley. --Lquilter (talk) 16:55, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Copyvio in inventory description from Getty archive
An inventory description in an external link here was copied verbatim from the Getty archive website, which is copyright. I removed it; restored it and placed the offending material in quotes, a perfectly reasonable way of solving the problem. Nevertheless, I believe that so long a quote for something that can so easily be paraphrased, or indeed dispensed with entirely, is hard to justify. I've removed the description, but left (and fixed) the link itself. If this seems evenly remotely to matter, I remain open to discussion of alternatives. There were about 100 copyvios of this type. Since they are in my view relatively minor I have not opened a CCI on the user; but am willing to do so if others think it necessary. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 00:16, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be awesome. Please.  Feel free to open a WP:CCI on me.  In the meantime, you may wish to consider the merger doctrine in copyright law: When facts are subject to only a limited number of possible expressions, the copyrightable expression "merges" into the uncopyrightable facts, and the result is not copyrightable.  Short factual catalog descriptions consisting of a serial comma separated list of items would certainly be analyzed under the merger doctrine.  See, e.g., Morrissey v. Procter & Gamble Co., 379 F.2d 267 (1st Cir. 1967) (holding that the rules of a sweepstakes game were not copyrightable): "'When the uncopyrightable subject matter is very narrow, so that 'the topic necessarily requires,' [...] if not only one form of expression, at best only a limited number, to permit copyrighting would mean that a party or parties, by copyrighting a mere handful of forms, could exhaust all possibilities of future use of the substance. In such circumstances it does not seem accurate to say that any particular form of expression comes from the subject matter. However, it is necessary to say that the subject matter would be appropriated by permitting the copyrighting of its expression.' (internal citations omitted)"
 * FWIW, I believe that there is an active effort on the part of Wikipedia to encourage this sort of link to external papers / research collections in articles. For researchers, catalog descriptions are important resources.  ... update: here it is: Wikipedia_Loves_Libraries.  There's been a concerted effort to get librarians/archivists to include links to these kinds of things.  It wouldn't surprise me if the user who added all those links is actually affiliated with Getty.
 * As to the descriptions and their length -- catalog descriptions are important for researchers looking at a reference for an external set of papers. This is ESPECIALLY true because links are frail. A researcher who sees a bare title in EL, clicks, gets a bad link, is much less likely to look further -- or even to be able to look further -- than a researcher who has a description of the catalog in hand and understands the contents.
 * If you're worried about the length of descriptions, or find them unnecessary, perhaps you might consider working on a style guide for catalog descriptions. Current MOS on ELs says: "If you link to another website, you should give your reader a good summary of the site's contents, and the reasons why this specific website is relevant to the article in question. If you link to an online article, try to provide as much meaningful article information as possible. ... Most external links should present different details from citations. For instance, a concise description of the contents and a clear indication of its source is more important than the actual title of the page" So, descriptions are encouraged; but perhaps some guidance as to what kind of descriptions would be appropriate.
 * Or, of course, you could paraphrase them yourself rather than simply deleting them as presumptive copyvios.
 * Finally, I think it's sort of hilarious that on Howard Besser's article. Heh.
 * --Lquilter (talk) 03:23, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

OK, clearly a major misunderstanding here. To be clear: I have no intention of opening a CCI in regard to, as to do so would be entirely baseless and entirely absurd. If I gave any impression that that might have been my intention, then I apologise. As to your other comments, I agree with all you say, including your last comment. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:38, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Sartorial question
[He] 'wears only T-shirts' - no socks, trousers/kilts etc? Jackiespeel (talk) 15:48, 22 September 2015 (UTC)