Talk:Howard Garrett

Neutrality issue
The article seems slanted to push the subject's views on certain products used in gardening, without adequately presenting the opposing view, or any reasonable number of reliable independent sources. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:08, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

The article is about using organic materials instead of toxic chemicals. Any suggestions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddinc2300 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, actually the article is about a person, Howard Garrett. Of course, what that person is notable for, is mostly using organic materials instead of toxic chemicals, and activities related to that. Are his views universally accepted? If not, which reliable independent sources disagree with them, and what reasons do they give? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:44, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Howard's mission is to covert the world to Organics. The chemical companies are controlling our food supply and encouraging fertilizers for lawns that are toxic to humans and pets. The Chemical view is the most widely accepted. Howard is trying to get people to realize that the chemicals in our lawn and gardens especially ROUND UP is killing us slowly. Howard is truly concerned about the food we eat, the air we breathe, etc. He is not out to make a buck on this. He just wants to let people know that using stuff from your kitchen to kill ants, etc. is better than spraying toxic chemicals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddinc2300 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 7 September 2011 (UTC)


 * And what's the best way for him (and you) to do that on Wikipedia? Read Advocacy to find out. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:58, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Even more specifically, WP:VALINFO ask us to discount such arguments. Unfortunately, raising the WP:NOBLECAUSE weakens the case for Garrett's inclusion, which should be based on his secondary-source notability, independent of the case he is making. The case itself belongs on the relevant pages, as in: Roundup_(herbicide). If more citations on notable work by Howard are included, and if exclamation marks are removed then the article will be sustainable. By the way, the uncited claim that others, such as Dr George think "Organics don't work" should be removed, as it is flatly contradicted by his marketing of products that are '99% organic'. --Wragge (talk) 20:46, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Close paraphrase
The sentence about critics "conceding" things, appears to be too closely paraphrased from the cited source Dallas Observer article; this, and any similar text that is close to a non-free source, should be rephrased. The OTRS ticket would appear not to cover this text. See WP:PARAPHRASE for more details. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:56, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I changed the "close paraphrase" I am hoping it is acceptable now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddinc2300 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 8 September 2011 (UTC)


 * There's also an extra paragraph, right before the bibliography, that seems to summarize the article with job titles held by the subject - this can probably go too. UltraExactZZ Said~ Did 21:00, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

The extra paragraph I thought was to show that Howard is an expert in his field. Howard is very similar to Dr. Mercola. I used his page as a guideline for Howard's. THey both believe in the same things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ddinc2300 (talk • contribs) 22:25, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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