Talk:Howard Stern/Archive 1

The Friday Show
The Friday Show is occasional. Howard Stern has stated this on his show this morning. Therefore it is a vacation time. This, he also stated. We’re not including the vacation times he will be taking off (Like New Years and Christmas) so the Friday show shouldn’t be included either. Redd Dragon 02:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * What Howard Stern says is not necessarily the truth. The words coming out of one individuals mouth do not fact make.  Only time will
 * tell. User:unknown


 * Your personal opinion has no place on Wikipedia. Until every Friday is "The Friday Show" your comment is irrelevant towards the article. Redd Dragon 02:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Personal opinion, or fact? Again, check the contract.  I repeat, "The words coming out of one individuals mouth do not fact make."


 * How is it a fact when you are ignoring the FACT that he is doing a show tomorrow (WHICH IS FRIDAY)? Until the Friday show becomes an every Friday show he is on five days a week. Redd Dragon 03:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * So far, out of 4 Fridays so far, he has only taken 1 of them off. His contract may allow him to take every Friday off, but so far he hasn't taken much advantage of that. DHowell 03:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Just as Bush spent his first few Fridays in office, so does Howard. Again, if he takes the occasional Friday off does he really broadcast Mon-Fri or Mon-Fri/Mon-Thurs.?  Which answer is subjective and which is objective? (Countzer 04:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC))


 * It's been suggested by a few radio insiders that the reason Howard has been doing Friday shows is because Sirius asked him to do so until he was settled in and subscriptions had leveled off. Apparently, there was some concern that if it was known that Howard's contract specifies that he's only required to work 4 days a week, 9 months in a year (his contract allows for three months of vacation time per year), subscribers might be less willing to pay the full monthly fee to hear his show.  It should be more than possible to mention what the terms of his contract state, while still maintaining a neutral POV.  Hossenfeffer 16:20, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Howard Stern is the one responsible for the content on his channels. What he sais goes! These words was made by the only individual that has a say on what will and what wont happen on HIS channels, Howard Stern. He took one day off, thats all. (Renegader 01:24, 11 February 2006)


 * Sirius's website says monday-thursday. http://www.sirius.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=Sirius/Page&c=FlexContent&cid=1130574541451 (We told ya so).. --Kvuo 15:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * You didn't tell anyone anything. He was on today, and today is friday. They list him as that because they allow him to take Friday off whenever he wants. Redd Dragon 23:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

need to correct the "bigoted" attribution
The entry says, near the top: "Some of his commentaries are perceived by many to include bigoted and misogynistic remarks about various religious and ethnic groups and women." It should more accurately read: "Some of his commentaries are perceived by many to include bigoted and misogynistic remarks about various religious and ethnic groups, women, and men." Howard has declared countless times that men are scumbags, men are pigs, men only want one thing, etc. It is important to note how non-discriminatory he is with the targets of his satire and caricature because many critiques of Howard Stern rely on ignoring the irony in his speeches and tirades. It also makes it much more telling to note who and what he, on principle, refuses to lampoon, such as certain political figures (e.g. Christie Todd Whitman and Rudy Giuliani), certain aspects of the private lives of even the most notoriously celebrated public figures, and the private lives of children who are not thrust into the public eye by their parents.

Private Parts
Um, Private Parts was not a "pretend" autobiography. Howard Stern wrote the book, and the events depicted in the book and movie did happen. -- goatasaur 02:16 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)

Yes, kind of... Except he lies like hell about the size of his private parts, and, if I went to the trouble to dig it all up, a lot of other things. So it is a pretend autobiography, more like an autohagiography. Actually, he takes autobiography to a new level, so what should we call it? :) -- Howard Stern contributor


 * "Loosely autobiographical"? -- Salsa Shark 02:33 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)


 * I like that better. -- goatasaur


 * "Fanciful" works for me as well. Moving along, I don't remember the movie making that much (forgive the pun) of Stern's equipment.  Did that only come up much in the book?


 * The name Private Parts was intended as a double entendre - in that it referred to both his genitals and the areas of his life not mentioned on the air.

Lenny Bruce comparison
Lenny Bruce was highly political in his content. Howard Stern was/is not. It is in inaccurate to make such a comparision. I recommend removing the Lenny Bruce comparison. Kingturtle 00:23 Apr 18, 2003 (UTC)
 * If you've only seen his movies or his TV shows, that view would be understandable, but on his radio show he can be VERY political and incisive. Marteau
 * Agreed, but he's one of those rare Americans, like Hugo Black, whose politics defy conventional labels. That is why I dropped the "left-wing" modifier in the header para. I can't really see putting him in the same class with, say, Al Franken. Ellsworth 12:44, 21 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * Lenny Bruce was funny. Howard's not.

NYC station not obscure
The page says:


 * He originally started as a disc jockey for an obscure New York City station playing rock music. 

How obscure can a radio station in New York be? Is the station WNBC? If it is, it's not obscure.


 * From biography.com After graduating magna cum laude, Stern took radio jobs first in the suburbs of Manhattan, then in Connecticut, Detroit, Washington, and finally New York City.


 * He went to WNBC after his Washington gig. Marteau

TV show
I see no mention in this article of Howard Stern's TV show. However short-lived it was, I think it deserves mentioning, although I don't know the details of it. —Pacific1982

POV paragraphs

 * Howard Stern's brand of humor is satirical. For example a statmement like "Don't blacks like chicken?", is meant to reveal and poke fun at the ridiculous nature of racist remarks. It certainly does not mean that Howard Stern feels that African-Americans are inferior in any way to any other group.


 * Referring to his language as crude and obscene is a way of categorizing his humor as it fits nowhere else. However, what lies beneath his ironic, sarcastic humor is a real understanding of social problems such as racism, crime, politics and hedonism. Although Stern does not "spell out" his intent on every show, his point is obvious when one spends the time to listen carefully. 


 * It has been said that Stern's audience one of the highest per-capita income of any radio program. He is a lighting rod for first ammendment rights and educated individuals (aside from typical politicians) support his right to speak freely over public air waves.

While these points have merit and bear exploring (and I certainly agree with the last paragraph), as written now it's a POV analysis rather than a presentation of facts, and is unsuitable for an encyclopedic article.

I'm not currently in a position to rewrite it, but might be in a few weeks. I'd rather have someone that actually listens to his show on a regular basis do it, though. -- nknight 01:42, 3 May 2004 (UTC)


 * ARGH, this whole article is saturated with POV. I'll take a crack at trying to erase the more egregious bits. Ellsworth 16:31, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC)

What Stern hater wrote this article? It stinks of POV from miles away.

Use of the N-word
Howard didn't use the n-word in the Rick Saloman show, a caller did! JMR

During the Rick Soloman interview, a caller used the word nigger, not Howard, nor did he incite the comment.

Removed from see also section

 * Seven dirty words
 * Michael Moore
 * Al Franken
 * Arianna Huffington
 * Moron - POV, probably should not be in the article
 * Racism

I removed the following from the "See also" section. Most of them should be added back into the article, but not in see also. A casual reader would not see the connection between Stern and the following, as they are not mentioned in the article except as links! Add them back into the main text, devoting at least a full sentence to each. &bull; Benc &bull; 01:38, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Picture
We need that sexy stern's foto in here somewhere. Lockeownzj00 19:20, 24 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Who is this 'we,' Kemosabe? Marteau

Stuttering John
Since John has left the show, I see no need to link to his official site on this page at all. It no longer is of any relevance. His Wikipedia article, sure, but not his off-site page. --Feitclub 04:27, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

I'm not a regular listener of his show, but how come John appeared on the show in october/november 2004 on that las vegas special when they played the "hollyweird squares" game - is he back on or what's going on? I saw it on E! in the last week of december 2004... Alex (Jan 16 2005)


 * No, John is not back on the show. The time line for the E! show and the radio show usually dont line off, for the most part new eppisodes are shown within a couple of week. If i recall right i think Howard was last in vegas over the last spring or early summer. --Boothy443 06:37, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Organization
I think this article needs a general overhaul. The 90's/2000's thing doesn't make a lot of sense because he's been on the air since the 80's. Does it make sense to create a separate article for his show, like Tom Green and Conan O'Brien? Then we could create a brief recap of the show here, while going into a more in-depth, chronological analysis of The Howard Stern Show. And what of his television work? --Feitclub 21:13, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

Air Florida Flight 90
I was listening to DC101 when Stern did this crap. It was the last time I listened to him. He was very new to the DC station when he did it. I found the guys he replaced had moved over to another station and started listening to them over there. RickK 09:09, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC)
 * That stunt was the main reason why he had to get his worthless ass out of DC. He and the management of DC101 were getting death threats.

Source cited for assertion regarding presidential election of 2004
The source cited for the proposition that Stern influenced the latest presidential election is clearly a biased one. (It is a conservative weblog.) I'll therefore erase the link to the source, along with the sentence it supports, since within the "source" the sentence would be unsupported. Moreover, the sentence makes a conclusory reference to "many celebrities," which is unsupported even by the "source" cited. Hydriotaphia 00:43, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)

A comment I made elsewhere, but appropriate to add here as well: "Old Right, the evidence that even Franklog provides is not, in my opinion, considerable. It doesn't even show that there is a correlation—let alone causation—between where Stern is heard and how many votes Bush got in the two elections. To show even a correlation, you would have to show that where Stern isn't heard, Bush's votes stayed the same or decreased. If you can show that, then we can begin to consider whether the statement should be included in the article. However, since you have linked to a weblog that doesn't do anything of the sort, then I don't think it's appropriate to include the statement or the reference. Further, even if the evidence you linked to did show a correlation, the reference to 'one of the many celebrities' would still be POV and unsupported (how do you know that 'many' celebrities alienated people?). I'm sincerely sorry if what I say seems harsh, but what you linked to is simply insufficient support for the statement. It is of course 'possible' that there is a correlation. But since you have not provided any affirmative evidence for that correlation, the alleged correlation is unsupported and hence does not belong in an encyclopedia. Respectfully, Hydriotaphia 19:53, Mar 28, 2005 (UTC)" Hydriotaphia 02:14, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

Left wing?
Can Stern's politics really be accurately described as "left-wing"? I have my doubts. Hydriotaphia 06:12, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Stern was a very vocal supporter of John Kerry and the Democrats during the 2004 elections. He also heavily promoted Michael Moore, Arianna Huffington, and Al Franken. He attack President Bush from virtually every liberal argument there is - taxes, environment, gay marriage, more government-funded embryonic stem cell experiments, the war in Iraq, abortion, etc. In 2000 he was a staunch supporter of Al Gore and of Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996. He's pretty blatanly Left-wing, with a capital L. -- Old Right 07:04, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not nearly that blatant. Howard Stern was completely behind the "War on Terror" as well as the Invasion of Iraq. He has supported Republicans in the past, including Christie Todd Whitman, Al D'Amato, Rudy Guiliani, and current NY governor George Pataki. He is also a staunch supporter of the death penalty which he campaigned on when he ran for governor (as a Libertarian). I would also argue that he supports smaller government (starting with the FCC, I imagine). But he definitely leans to the Left on most issues. --Feitclub 04:46, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC)

Howard Stern is apparently a libertarian. He was going to run as a Libertarian in some political race, but decided not too because he would have to reveal too much of his private/financial information to do so. --emb021


 * That's correct. Stern did announce his candidacy for governor of new york on the libertarian ticket, though he withdrew because he did not want to reveal his finances. As libertarianism is on the right side of the political spectrum, that is presumably where Stern lies. However, it should be noted that libertarians and liberals do agree on most social issues, albeit for different reasons. ---jonasaurus 17:54, 2 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure your last statement is true. Libertarians oppose hate speech laws, hate crimes laws, affirmative action, excessive gun-related regulations, and much of what the feminist movement stands for (anti-pornography, special privileges for women, et al). -- Gerkinstock 18:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Libertarianism is not on the "right side of the political spectrum", by any means, and any Libertarian would quickly disabuse you of this misconception.

it should also be noted that Stern only ran as a libertarian because they were the only party that would endorse his campaign. although at the time he admited to supporting many of their platforms. many of the members of the new york libertarian part described his nomination as “hostile takeover" because so many of his fans packed the hall where they were holding the nominations.--BillSpike 06:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, Howard has recently attacked the Religious Right for opposing affirmative action, which libertarianism is stauchly against. So he is partially, though not fully, libertarian in his views. -- Gerkinstock 18:01, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Dead Links?
Why are so many users in love with dead links? Closing them doesn't prevent anyone from writing a new page. They just take up wiki memory for no reason. 155 / 13 Apr 05


 * Go ahead and remove them. --jonasaurus 17:54, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Measuring the Howard Stern Effect
I'm puting the line about Stern possible costing John Kerry votes back in because it's not POV at all, it's simply factual information about a legitimate speculation. -- Old Right 06:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * And thats why it will be removed, it's speculation not based in any kind of fact what so ever other then the corolation between voting numbers and whp people voted for in a select "few" states in which Stern is syndicated to. Their is no evidence that any action of these voters was in part to Sterns views or opinions. Basedd on the same info i could insert say Limbaughs name, a person who is supporter of Bush and is also herd in all the listed states, and come to the same conlusions, or i could beaisl instert anyons name instead of Sterns that is herd or seen in all of the states listed and come so the same if not similar conclusions. Also the "blogger" has this listed at the bottom:UPDATE 11/5/04: I guess humorlessness should never surprise me, but I don't see how people like David don't get that, while the numbers above are accurate, the premise that Howard Stern could cause anything to happen related to this election (let alone be the sole cause of Bush gaining electoral ground) was more than a little tongue in cheek. In other words, Stern's a blowhard who has no effect on anything other than possibly the self-esteem of various strippers and midgets across America. which baslicaly discredits your reason for the link and supporting phrase to be on the page as well as discredditing the conclsuion of the article. Whn you find some real evidence, let us know. Untill then speculation like this has no room in this article.  --Boothy443 | comhrÚ 07:02, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Let me repeat something I said about a month ago to Old Right. He has not responded to this comment yet, so I'll give him yet another chance to do so.

Old Right, the evidence that even Franklog provides is not, in my opinion, considerable. It doesn't even show that there is a correlation—let alone causation—between where Stern is heard and how many votes Bush got in the two elections. To show even a correlation, you would have to show that where Stern isn't heard, Bush's votes stayed the same or decreased. If you can show that, then we can begin to consider whether the statement should be included in the article. However, since you have linked to a weblog that doesn't do anything of the sort, then I don't think it's appropriate to include the statement or the reference. Further, even if the evidence you linked to did show a correlation, the reference to "one of the many celebrities" would still be POV and unsupported (how do you know that "many" celebrities alienated people?). I'm sincerely sorry if what I say seems harsh, but what you linked to is simply insufficient support for the statement. It is of course "possible" that there is a correlation. But since you have not provided any affirmative evidence for that correlation, the alleged correlation is unsupported and hence does not belong in an encyclopedia.

Hydriotaphia 19:30, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

Book on back pain
What Is the book called?

The author would be Dr. John Sarno.

tinyurl .com /8h2qp has a list of Dr. Sarno's books.

Repeated vandalism source
http://www.wackbag.com/showthread.php?t=32765

Judging from their wiki entry, 'Opie & Anthony' are the XM version of Howard Stern. It looks like XM had to drop the $2 fee per month for their show after low ratings though.

What about restricting edits to registered users, at least fo some pages. It would stop much vandalism Gtoomey 06:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

They're from wackbag.. I'm an O&A pest as well, however, I do not screw with wikipedia articles. If you read those threads on wackbag, I am trying to tell them not to screw with wikipedia. I personally think wikipedia transcends morning show radio wars.. I already told the wackbaggers many times that it takes 4 clicks to revert their bullshit, and dont waste your time.. some of them will continue, but they will grow tired eventually. they just dont realize how wikipedia works.. --Kvuo 04:13, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Actually, satellite radio doesn't have "ratings" as stated above so this doesn't matter. XM chose to change their pricing structure to include O&A and online streaming. anon dec12 05

Actually they could measure their ratings when they were on the premium. They had 35,000 listeners on the premium service so they decided to make them all part of the XM service, because of their low subcription rate. Although, today, Opie and Anthony are one of the top ten shows in XM.

Columbine massacre reference
For the record, Howard didn't initially make reference to there being attactive girls at Columbine High School - a caller did. I remember the show and still have it on tape. It was only after that that he added sex as a rationale for committing crime (in saying that the massacre had no apparent rationale - sex, power, monetary gain, etc.) --66.189.64.41 07:50, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Infinity rights
I removed the phrase about infinty holding the rights to the show. Considering that none of us are parties, at least to my knowledge, to the contract that Stern and or his production company has with infinty/WXRK, i think we are jumping the gin with infinity holding the rights. This is also in consideration to the in-demand deal, which will span sterns time at both infinity and sirius, and the rebrodacts of those programs. Plus at the most infinity can only hold the right to rebrodcast programs aired while at infinty, and not creative control, or something of the like. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 08:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * CBS (Infinity) doesn’t have the rights to rebroadcast ANY show. It is owned by both Howard Stern and CBS. Both need to agree to allow a rebroadcast to happen. Redd Dragon 23:10, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

New Book
I remember him saying about a year ago, he had a new book planned. Is anything happening with that? --Richy 17:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

he's mentioned WANTING to write a new book about his life from Miss America-to-Present but he's always said he's currently too busy - anon

David Simon
I dont think Allisons new husband is the same dude who produces the wire. can someone confirm this? I think they have the same names but are different people.
 * It's not. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, the David Simon that Alison is now married to owns a large chain of shopping malls in North America (Simon Malls.)

The Last Show
Ugh - they chopped up Howard's speech quite a bit. His speech was too long and too many "last of a dying breed"s. I also noticed at the very end that he said "F Jackie". Did anyone else catch that? What was that about? Jeff schiller 15:01, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

-

I think it was just a joke on him for leaving early on thurs.. I listened on WBCN in Boston -- where were you? I was wondering about that choppiness. I organized the satellite section under its own new header, and added a subheader about the last show. this should get some more attention. Funny enough, today is the annoversary of the boston tea party. some other revolutionary guys with something to say about the government acted out 232 years ago today. -Kether83 12/16/2005 17:47 UTC and wondering where everyone gets those nifty timestamps from


 * In Wikipedia, sign all your entries with 4 tildes (~) which will insert your username with a link and the timestamp. Anyway, I was in Chicago and caught most of Thursday's show with Jackie and all of today's broadcast.  Interestingly, I caught all of the cast members final speeches on the Yahoo internet broadcast, where I also noticed that Fred also signed off with "F Jackie".  So why did Jackie leave early Thursday?  Or do you mean because he left the show in 2001?  I took Thursday's interview as a "no hard feelings" from the cast towards Jackie, that's why I was surprised by Fred and Howard's parting shot.  Jeff schiller 22:22, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Nevermind. Kether83 19:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Stern is Not a Shock Jock
There are many shock-jocks on radio but Howard Stern is not one of them. Jock in the radio industry assumes disk–jockey and he is definitely not one of those. Probably the only correct label is “radio-comedian” or “comedian of all media”. :-)

As for the person above who made the comparison between Howard Stern and Rush Limbaugh let me say that you are comparing apples to oranges; Stern is a comedian; Limbaugh is a idealistic promoter of the political right.

--Neilrieck 01:05, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * No, comedians are funny.

Words sometimes evolve in their usage, even idiosyncratically or illogically. The term has now come to be used with any on-air radio personality who uses controversial or risque material. Stern has been called a "shock jock," so the article can reflect that. Nightscream 07:26, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Language Issues
No, not vulgarity. There is a reference to "shoving kielbasa down chick's throats during the September 11, 2001 attacks. If someone thought "chick" was the best way to phrase that, something's wrong, and leads me to think their might be other slang (however popularized) usage in the article. Maybe given the irreverant nature of the article's subject, it could be tolerable under other circumstances, but until I see Rush Limbaugh's wife #4 (or 5 or 6 or 7) referred to as his "boo", let's talk like humans.
 * That was vandalism, and it has been removed, albeit not as quickly as usual for this article. As far as I know Howard did not shove kielbasa down anyone's throat on September 11, 2001. DHowell 06:33, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I remember the whole show (and listened to it). It was vandalism. It did not happen. Redd Dragon 23:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

obsessive compulsive disorder
Does he have it? On the OCD article, it says he does, but there's no mention of it in the article. Gflores Talk 05:45, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * If you look at the talk page for Obsessive-compulsive disorder most of the celebrity list is pure spectulation, but someone keeps re-adding it anyway. Stern has joked "I must have OCD" (for instance, on the soundcheck), but that doesn't mean he has been diagnosed as OCD. Chiok 22:52, 8 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, he does have OCD, and has spoken of it many times on his show in a non-satirical manner (and in one of his books, I believe). He claimed to have been cured of it in the early 1990's but he has lapsed from time to time.  He is a "germaphobe" and compulsively washes his hands. Gerkinstock 01:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, he mentioned it in the book Miss America. Nightscream 07:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Question: Who was Stern's first celebrity guest?
Does anybody know? Gerkinstock 01:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Stern's daughters
Wasn't Emily born in 1983 and Deborah in 1986? Also, Emily recently appeared in a play where she did a nude scene. Gerkinstock 01:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I believe Emily is the oldest, Deborah is the middle child and Ashley is the youngest, I seem to recall that when Howard was on WNBC when Allison would call-in you could hear Emily (then a baby) in the background. Misterrick 21:09, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

This article is about Howard Stern not his daughters. If his daughters are publicly known enough they can have their own wiki. They are not. Therefore they should be left out of Wikipedia. Including their age in the article is fine (which already is included), but having small non-important irrelevant information such as his daughters plays isn’t really what this article should be. Redd Dragon 09:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Link to Howard 100 Audio
User:Redd Dragon has made a claim that it is illegal to rebroadcast Sirius Satellite Radio material, However I contend that U.S. Copyright law allows for fair use. Obviously This audio clip falls under fair use because it is a non-commercial site. Of course you can say the same thing about any clips for Howard Stern's shows on K-Rock, WNBC, DC101, WCCC and WWWW etc... all of which Howard presented on New Years eve and he was able to broadcast those clips under fair use especially since he doesn't own any of them which I never understood why in his contract he never had a clause that said if he left the station any audio clips and bits become property of him or his production company. I would like to point out that this is not my link but I am defending it because I believe that it should be left here. Misterrick 23:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The question here isn't whether or not that Tripod site is following fair use in offering the Howard MP3, because it's not (which I'll get to in a minute); the question is whether or not Wikipedia policy says it's okay to post a link to a page that's engaging in something illegal. I'm sure that question has come up plenty of times before, so there must be some settled policy somewhere (or at least a guideline). Hopefully someone more Wikiexperienced than I am will dig that up. As for the MP3, fair use would generally be considered a couple of minutes of the show; offering the entire show (which is, after all, no longer free to listen to over the air) would almost certainly not qualify as fair use. However, it must be noted that "fair use" is a very nebulous concept in U.S. law, and has never really been firmed up in established case law. Nobody on either side wants to ever take such a case to the Supreme Court because there's an excellent chance they could rule entirely in one direction or the other, and both sides have way too much to lose. --Aaron 00:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok you make some very good points, So what should be done for now until a qualified and experienced Wikipedian can make a proper determination? Should the links be deleted? Misterrick 00:20, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The optimal thing would be for everyone to just agree to leave the link as-is until someone more experienced can come along and guide us better, just so there's no chance of a revert war starting up. But I suggest you take the high road and do nothing even if someone else comes along and deletes it in the meantime before this is settled; again, it's just about preventing a fight breaking out over it, not over who "wins". In any case, I have no idea how many people are paying attention to this talk page, so you might want to hop into #Wikipedia and ask a couple of the admins in there to come over here, check it out and offer their suggestions. If nothing else, that'll help speed up the consensus on this matter. --Aaron 00:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Well I think it's a moot point now because I just clicked on the link and it looks like either the site owner shut it down or the site was removed by Tripod for a Term of Service violation. It's was probably the latter. So I am going to delete the links. Misterrick 00:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sounds like they made our decision for us! --Aaron 00:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

What? No Imus?
I find it very hard to believe that any article about Stern could exist without even a mention of his 20 plus year war with Imus. Imus and Stern have mentioned the other on numerous shows like Larry King Live and their A&E biographies both mentioned the other not to mention Stern's section on Imus in his Private Part's book and movie. What casual Stern fan does not know that Stern hates Imus with a passion? I also believe that his conflicts with Opie and Anthony should be mentioned as well. Both Imus and O&A's wikipedia articles reference Stern. Stern mentioned Imus on every one of his first 5 days at Sirius. Stern threatened to sue Imus over a bit where Imus made fun of him and Beth O which upset Beth and her family and he even tried to call in and confront Imus on air but Imus wouldn't take the call which I witnessed watching Imus's TV show.
 * Why am I not surprised that Stern can dish it out, but he can't take it?

Stern goofed on Imus's Vanity Fair article his cancer ranch and even mentioned Imus at length during his first day press conference where MSNBC's Keith Olberman was called on to confirm that everyone at MSNBC wants Imus gone. Imus found out about Stern attacks and went back at him with a Cardinal Eagan bit causing one of Stern's fans to call him and mention it on air. Stern even said "Imus should just crawl off in a hole and die!". As often as Imus was mentioned Stern didn't mention Opie and Anthony once during week one even though O&A sent Pests to disrupt his last show celebration and streamed his first Sirius show on their XM broadcast to goof on him. That may simply be because a Stern fan would have to subscribe to XM in order to monitor O&A's show and report back to Howard which would defeat Howard's goal of making Sirius number one whereas they can still watch Imus on TV and listen on the radio for free. I've listened to both programs for over 10 years and Imus and Stern absolutely loathe each other. Maddhatt 04:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC) Additionally, Wikipedi is not a link dump, and excessive links to audio are not proper. I am removing them.


 * Actually, Stern has mentioned Opie and Anthony a number of times on his Sirius show, and a case can certainly be made for O&A being the only other jocks aside from Imus that he really seems to hate. Before his recent legal troubles began, he mentioned them at least once a show for three shows in a row.  It would definitely be within the bounds of neutral POV to mention both Imus and O&A, perhaps under a "Radio Rivals" category.  Even if such a category contained little more than a short blurb about how they hate each other, with links to the relevant pages.  Hossenfeffer 16:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The article is a biography about Howard Stern and the show. Putting a radio enemy list in seems irrelevant and childish. What information is gained by listing which radio show hosts are not friendly with the show? Redd Dragon 23:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The fact Stern has been involved in such high profile on and off the air battle with both Imus and Opie and Anthony certainly makes it a relevant part of his career. It is not like this is a one show thing. Perhaps an enemies list is not needed but a controversies section would be helpful. If he found space for Imus in his movie at the very least there should be space for it here.--Watersnake 07:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Imus I can understand. Stern talks about him all the time.  But the other guys?  I don't know who these guys are.  How can he be enemies with them.  This just seems like a section of people who don't like Stern.  Why aren't Rush L. and my mom on this thing then. This whole section needs to go, with the exception of Imus.Vegasjon 21:40, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

2006: Year of the Sirius Dog


I thought it would be nice to put this image on the Howard Stern wiki entry for the duration of the Chinese Lunar New Year celebration. And I thought it was absolutely fitting that 2006, the year that Howard Stern moved to Sirius, is also the year of the dog. Now, to explain the tangerine: It's traditional during the Chinese New Year to give tangerines, which are supposed to mean good luck (even though Howard does not need luck -- we should have given him tangerines 25 years ago!) -- at least that's what my mom told me. In fact, it was after I asked her what the tangerines mean that I created the image in Photoshop. The Chinese caligraphy on the right is the symbol for "dog." I was in such a festive mood!

The font used for the year, 2006, is a Star Trek font, which I used just because George Takei was the Howard Stern Show announcer on Sirius. "Oh my!" The Star Trek font can be found on the saucer section (or primary hull) of the U.S.S. Enterprise 1701-A -- the one seen in Star Treks I through VI. HeWhoE 19:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I am not sure I understand what the relationship of the Chinese New Year has to do with Howard Stern. George Takei is Japanese, but he was on for one week and they hardly use his voice. He isn’t important enough to make a link between a Chinese holiday and the Howard Stern show. I really don’t get what this has to do with anything. Redd Dragon 17:50, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * If you look at Chinese New Year celebrations this year, you'll find that they're celebrating the Dog. It's the year of the Dog.  Okay?  Take a moment to let that sink in... Now, recall what animal the Sirius Satellite Radio company has in its official logo.  Yes!  A dog!  We know George Takei is Japanese, but that's beside the point.  George Takei was the first voice to be heard on Howard 100 (that's channel 100 on the Sirius radio programming).  He introduced the show, and Howard says he will have George on the show regularly (just not all the time, because he wants to "keep it special").  The day was January 9, 2006.  That's where the 2006 comes from!  HeWhoE 04:15, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If you take a look at the wiki article name, you will notice it reads Howard Stern and not Sirius Satellite Radio. The Sirius Show article is there to document his show in a time period. Just like 1990’s and 2000’s versions. It is not an article about Sirius. George Takei was not the first voice on the channel. There were many shows on the channel before. I suggest reading Howard 100. The image doesn’t serve a purpose to the article. Again, the article is not about Sirius or his move to Sirius. The article is meant to document a certain time period in the radio show. Which doesn’t mean January 9th 2006, it means until the radio show is no longer on Sirius. Redd Dragon 00:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok becides oll of the symbolic notions, what if any relvance does this image have to an Encylopedia article on stern, FYI this is not a fan site, for fan images. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, this image is irrelevant.
 * &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Countzer (talk &bull; contribs) . –19:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * If people want it off the wiki entry, I will stop putting it back in. After all, I did say it would be up only for the duration of the Chinese New Year celebrations.  Chinese New Years celebrations ended five days ago.  Besides, I'm craving some man ass.  Redd Dragon, Boothy443, Countzer and dbenbenn, let's get together again sometime.  This time, dbenbenn, I'll let you use your fist on me and clench it too.  HeWhoE 19:17, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Userbox
Created this today. 68.7.47.6 18:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

NPOV Problems
This page reads like an old Rolling Stone article. There is alot of POV material inserted into the fact surrounding Mr. Howard Stern's career, and this needs to be edited. Changes shall come as proper research, grammer and unbiased commentary are added. (Countzer 05:29, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

I don’t see much POV problems. If there was it may have been edited out. Problems I do see are long paragraphs with many grammatical errors. Some of the paragraphs could be cut out.

Also, there are way too many links to other Wikipedia articles. We don’t need a history lesson on every single word mentioned in the article. For example “Spanish people” is linked. Is that necessary? Not only are unnecessary articles linked they are linked repeatedly. Every other word is blue. Redd Dragon 21:02, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

There is also the question of whether or not Wikipedia should read like a magazine article. Quotes about Howard's view on himself are unnecessary. Can we find something similar elsewhere, my suspicion is that the answer is no. (Count Zero 22:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

Someone removed the POV check from this page without speaking about it on the discussion page. Obvious vandal with repeated vandalism to other radio show pages. I have re-inserted the POV check until the issue is resolved or I have time to remove bias from this entry.(Count Zero)

Again the POV check was removed from this page without discussing it here. Argue against the case for POV or submit to the idea that this page will carry the POV banner until it is edited. (68.163.23.224 04:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC))

Just because you keep saying it's POV, that doesn't mean it's POV.

Just because you keep saying it is not, doesn't mean it isn't. Check up on this talk page, and you will see that this issue has been brought up before and never resolved. Also, sign your posts please. (Count Zero 00:57, 22 February 2006 (UTC))
 * Issues Still have not been resolved, nor discussed. POV check has just been removed. (Count Zero 10:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC))

What, exactly, is the paragraph(s) you have a problem with, Count Zero? I can help out if you're more specific. Payneos 17:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

The Howard Stern Show Revelations Game > Howard Stern Merge
This is a duplicate of the article on Howard Stern under The Sirius Show. It should be moved to that section of the article or be deleted.

Split Howard Stern and Howard Stern Show?
It has been suggested by Enochlau on my talk page that Howard Stern and Howard Stern Show be split into two articles. Given the size of this article, it seems reasonable, but a daunting task considering how inextricably interwoven the biography and the show description is. There is also the fact that the term "Howard Stern Show" could refer to four different things: his former FM radio show, his current Sirius satellite show, his former E! TV show, and his WWOR-TV show from the 1990s. I thought I'd bring it up though in case anyone else had any thoughts on the matter. DHowell 06:57, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Its seems like a good idea to me since the show and the man are not the same thing. Rush Limbaugh and The Rush Limbaugh Show are two separate articles. It should be the same with Stern and his show. -- HowardDean 07:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Damm, you beat me to it, i was thinking the same thing, espically now considering the size of the article. --Boothy443 | trácht ar 07:11, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree to a point. If we were to split the radio show up with his biography most of the article would just be moved to another place. It would leave the same problem just without a few paragraphs.

For example, if we were to split up the biography and the radio show (and tv show, etc.) it would look like this:

Howard Stern:

Contents [hide]
 * 1 Biography
 * 2 See also
 * 3 External links

Howard Stern Show:


 * 1 Intro
 * 2 Terrestrial Radio Show
 * 2.1 1990s
 * 2.2 2000s
 * 3 The Move to Satellite Radio
 * 3.1 Goodbye to terrestrial radio
 * 4 The Sirius Show
 * 4.1 The Revelation Game
 * 5 Cast and crew of the Howard Stern show
 * 6 Regulars on the Howard Stern show
 * 7 Former cast and crew
 * 8 Former Regulars
 * 9 Frequent Show Games and Bits
 * 10 Common Show Sayings and Soundbites
 * 11 See also
 * 12 External links

Including the show articles as part of his biography really defeats the point of the Howard Stern Show article.

Not sure how it could be done, but should be done somehow. Redd Dragon 20:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well it's a start, but still have to think about it. The bio should focus less on the show, and more on him, naturaly. But it should factor in the show somewhat, like is issues with the FCC, i.e the Larry King Call and such (was it King). I would also inculde things about the family, run for gov, things along that line. As for the show article, i personaly, consider the show to start from DC 101 on, as when robin came in thats when the show really statrts to come together into the format of today, the pre dc 101 i would look as a backgoundto the show but would think it would be better in the bio as part of a background on his radio carrer? --Boothy443 | trácht ar 05:38, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Pat O'Brien Sex Tape
If you cared about actually providing information instead of vandalizing articles you would realize Howard played these tapes on his terrestrial radio show when they came out. He played them on his first day because he couldn’t play the uncensored versions before and now he could. Fighting over who played them uncensored first is irrelevant and stupid. Redd Dragon 14:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Censorship Quote
please replace the paragraph with howard's remarks when he admitted to having O&A censored. Streamless 19:34, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. It is noteworthy and relevant. It shall remain as it is his word, and proven fact. Hipocracy and all, it will remain simply for that fact. It is fact. Documented, noted, and true. Payneos 20:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Jackie
just a suggestion, but i think that there should be more about jackie in this article. the first mention of him is in the paragraph when it's announced that jackie is leaving the show. perhaps, how howard and jackie met (perhaps even the joke that convinced howard to hire jackie), and some of jackie's better contributions? Streamless 15:36, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't forget to mention the Jokemaster, Jokemaster Junior, and Jokemaster Mini. MGlosenger 02:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Wack Packers
Any chance we can get some more information on them? Lokiloki 21:11, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * See The Wack Pack, --Boothy443 | trácht ar 04:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks... Lokiloki 07:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Dice Clay
Can someone provide some detail on the feud between Andrew Dice Clay and Stern? I heard the recent broadcast, and it would be great to get some background on this... Lokiloki 07:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

ummmm.....if you "heard the recent broadcast," why do you need background?

Howard/"Dice" Clay Feud
For nearly a decade, Howard had a running fued with "Dice" due to an on-air interview, which both agreed fell short of their expectations. After the interview, "Dice" was quoted in Stepping Out Magazine stating that the interview was a disaster because Stern was off his game. Howard retaliated accusing "Dice" of not being interesting. Soon after, Dice called into the Stern show to have it out with Stern and himself admitted that Stern got the better of him in their screaming match.

On his recent appearance on Stern's Sirius show, Dice explained that he had been anticipating the interview that fateful day, as he usually called in, and was excited to do a live interview. He said he became disappointed when Stern almost immediatley went to the phones instead of conducting the interview himself. Stern countered that he felt that for whatever reason the interview was not going well and that he went to the phones as a means to salvage "Dice's" appearance.

In addition, Stern half-jokingly stated that prior to the interview he had already been somewhat fed up with "Dice" after a disastrous house hunting excursion the two had participated in, in which Stern set "Dice" up with his real estate agent. Apparently, Dice and one of his friends acted like imbeciles, embarrasing Stern, by childishly running through some of the houses, hiding in shower stalls, and jumping on beds. Clay explained that since he rarely finds anyone funny, he needs to amuse himself by making others uncomfortable with boorish behavior.

The recent Sirius reunion seemed to have gone well and all the cast members agreed that the past seemed to have been resolved and that the relationship between the two could move forward.

Sirius Show Header
There was a paragrpah under the Sirius Show header stating that recently his battle with Opie and Anthony had come to a head when Stern admitted on Hannity's show that he placed a gag order on the two. While the statement was accurate, I saw no reason for it to be included under said heading, as it had absolutely no bearing to the Sirius broadcasts, and removed it...adding a little section about his desire to curb excessive swearing.