Talk:Hrabri-class submarine/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Sturmvogel 66 (talk · contribs) 14:41, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

I'll get to this shortly.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:41, 22 March 2015 (UTC)


 * External links OK, no DABs.
 * HMAS? AFAIK, the prefix was HMS, for His Majesty's Submarine.
 * Fixed.
 * Link draught, displacement, knot, Bay of Kotor
 * Done.
 * Pretty sure that the range figure is in nautical miles not statute miles.
 * Correct. Fixed.
 * What kind of ship was Hrvar?
 * Hvar, submarine tender. Added.
 * Did the ships make any foreign port visits or anything before 1941? Career summaries are pretty scanty.
 * Have added two cruises they did, and an accident Nebosja had.
 * Need to flesh out the summary of Nebosja's career a bit more. Did she sink any ships, etc.?
 * Was used in a training role after her escape, added a bit. I'm trying to find a reliable source for the report that she tended to dive too sharply...
 * Any pictures available?
 * Added pic of Hrabri, I can't find a good pic of either that is clearly PD, but this (not great) one from 1934 was taken by a RN officer and used in Jane's. Thanks for the review, ! Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 09:49, 7 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Do you have any info on diving depth? Probably the same as the L class that she was based on, but maybe not.
 * Not at all sure that the Jane's photo is actually PD. It depends on how the photo is credited in Jane's. If to Beatty, then it's still in copyright as he sold or licensed it to Jane's. If to Crown copyright then it's OK as those expire after 50 years, IIRC.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Given Beatty was a serving RN officer in 1934, why wouldn't it fall under the provision of "made by an officer or servant of the Crown in the course of his duties"? Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 02:51, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It all depends on if he assigned as a photographer or not. Photos made in a private capacity are copyrighted by that person if he was not tasked to take photos. Forex, I retain copyright of all the photos that I took when I was on active duty because I was not a photographer, even though many were during duty hours and of soldiers and their equipment. Given that Beatty was an officer of middling rank, I think it unlikely that he was an official photographer, especially since the photo ended up in Jane's. But you can make a query to clarify the matter over at the village pump on Commons, if you like. You should also check to see if there are any photos of the ships in the IWM collection that you can use without reservation.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:19, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Beatty was only a lieutenant in 1943, so what rank he was when the photo was taken nine years earlier is anyone's guess. I thought Crown copyright differed significantly from US Gov copyright? Anyway, I'll check at the Commons pump. Thanks, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 06:54, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * feel free to contribute here. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I think the weak consensus at the Commons Pump was it is PD. Regards, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 07:09, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, but don't forget about adding diving depth.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done! Cheers, Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 14:06, 18 April 2015 (UTC)