Talk:Hridayendra Shah

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Is he still crown prince? I mean techinically, his elder sister is crown princess. 24.14.120.92 21:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

2nd or 3rd in-line
First the article says his sister is 2nd in line, then it says his grandfather and father may abdicate in his favor. If Hridayendra is 3rd-in-line? doesn't his sister have to abdicate too? So he'd become King? GoodDay 21:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * All the news articles on the proposed change say the bill was to be sent to parliament for approval but nothing has been heard since. A news article by times of India from a week ago is saying that he is second in line still so I think that the law hasn't been passed yet.dwc lr 22:02, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * So it should be pointed out on the article, his sister is currently not in the line of succession. PS- the Royalty News site also omits Paras' elder daughter from the succession. GoodDay 23:00, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yep, and I also think his sisters and Line of succession to the Nepalese Throne articles need to be changed to reflect the fact that females cannot presently succeed.dwc lr 23:07, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just gonna bring that up. GoodDay 23:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I think all the affected articles are updated now.dwc lr 23:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. GoodDay 00:00, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Check out this article:http://www.telegraphindia.com/1070618/asp/frontpage/story_7938244.asp.

However, under a new law, Hridayendra’s older sister Purnika is technically the first in the line of succession. ''Purnika has a stronger legal claim to the throne than her kid brother. Scrapping a 238-year-old tradition that favoured sons, the government had decreed that the first-born, irrespective of gender, should be crowned.'' There's a lot of confusion about this. Did the parliament approve the new succession law last year? If the parliament DID NOT approve it, then surely that would have generated some articles. Since I haven't read any articles saying that they rejected the bill, I believe that the parliament actually approved the bill as expected. FrinkMan 22:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The times of India are saying here about the succession law change in an article from August 2006 but another article by Times of India from last month says Hridayendra is second in line to the throne. I imagine after the elections in November a new constitution will be published and then if the monarchy survives we will be able to see what it says in relation to the succession.dwc lr 14:50, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * We need confirmation, show me an article saying that the Nepalese parliament have rejected the bill about the gender-neutral succession. I can't find such an article. FrinkMan 14:12, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * "On 31 July 2006, the cabinet drafted amendments to the law regarding the heir to the throne. The changed law declares that a Special Committee under the Prime Minister will take decisions to the accession to the throne, which will have to be passed by the parliament. It also states that the King's first child will be the heir to the throne regardless of gender, unlike the current practice of declaring the King's oldest son the heir apparent. The amendments will be presented to the House of Representatives for approval and the existence and role of Nepal's monarchy itself will be on the line during the Constituent Assembly to be held in Nepal soon."
 * The above is taken from the Nepali Aawaz newspaper so it says that for the succession law change to come into force it will need to be presented to the House of Representatives for approval. Whether or not the changes have been made I can't find any articles saying that the House of Representatives were presented with the bill or whether they approved it or not.dwc lr 15:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, that's my point. We don't know whether the parliament/House of Representatives approved the bill or rejected it. We don't even know for sure if they were presented with the bill. This page could be helpful, but I can't read Nepalese. Bills Registered in Bill Section or Passed by House of Representative: http://www.parliament.gov.np/Legislation.htm I believe that the bill has been approved. FrinkMan 17:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Somebody at WikiProject Nepal might be able to help us clarify the situation.dwc lr 17:59, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If there's no source for the Parliament approving this amendment, the the issue is moot (that's where the burden of proof lays). GoodDay 22:05, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems like the House of Representatives/the parliament actually approved the bill. My sources are:

...we couldn’t help thinking how far ahead Nepal is, because our parliament has already decreed in favour of female succession. http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue/314/Backside/12434

and

''One of the Declarations of the Parliament restored as a result of Jana Andolan-2 was to declare that the first- born would be the heir to the throne. In other words, a female would be eligible to become monarch in Nepal for the first time in history.'' http://www.telegraphnepal.com/news_det.php?news_id=1603

That it has been so difficult to find any sources saying that the Parliament approved this amendment is probably due to the fact that it was expected that the bill would pass. If the bill had been rejected, then there would certainly have been a need to mention it in the newspapers.

It also seems like the choosing of the heir is up to the parliament: As per the amended law, a Special Committee under the Prime Minister will take decisions to the accession to the throne, which will have to be passed by the parliament. http://news.kanunisanchar.com/archives.php?Action=ShowNews&NewsID=338 http://www.nettyroyal.nl/newsaug06.html

The way I interpret all this is that the first-born technically will be heir to the throne, but that the parliament ultimately decides who will inherit the throne. The fact that Koirala repeated calls for the King and crown prince to abdicate in favour of Prince Hridayendra probably only reflects Koiralas personal opinions. As it is written in the telegraphindia-article above, However, under a new law, Hridayendra’s older sister Purnika is technically the first in the line of succession. FrinkMan (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The change of succession wasn't signed into law. GoodDay (talk) 20:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)