Talk:Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati/Archive 1

Promotional concerns
Kind attention : http://www.goodnewstv.com.au/breaking-world-news-positive-news-special-kid-emerging-as-latest-global-inspiration/122.161.77.241 (talk) 07:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.77.241 (talk) 06:53, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

First of all Salute to Wikipedia for a great article, which is very inspiring. What is really inspiring is that a disabled kid suffering from fatal disease and who can not walk goes for a great invention. This article can motivate world as it is a case of " Rarest of rare achievement by the subject despite suffering from extreme hardships. I Appeal/Suggest Wikipedia/ Editors/ Moderators to make sure that the article about this kid must reach to all relevant areas/sections/pages of Wikipedia as it will inspire millions across the world. It is really shocking that his Categories are not complete. He should reach to all categories related directly/indirectly with Chess, Circular Chess, Chess Variants, Invention, Inventors, Prodigy, Child Prodigies, Innovations, Disabled, Disability, Dystrophy, Muscular Dystrophy, Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy, Genius, Milestone in disabled world, Inspiration, Role model, Motivational, Chess history, ..etc etc. I further appeal to Wikipedia/Editors/Moderators to please take a genuine initiative to write the article of subject in detail/cover all achievements, instead of being busy in deletion/Demoting the kudos of the rarest of rare kid that inspires world. Imagine, The Hindu is one of the best newspapers in India and the newspaper clearly wrote " A Chess prodigy with a difference" but no one took initiative for this kid who can not walk and brought tempest in the world of chess with his trembling fingers, Imagine, " India Today " is one of the best Media Platform in India clearly wrote " Like noble laureate the kid from Jaipur is genius in his own right" but no one took initiative for this kid who can not walk and brought tempest in the world of chess with his trembling fingers. Yes I appreciate the fact that anything promotional/non factual must be deleted/edited/terminated. But the disabled kid who inspires world by his rarest of rare achievements and having 13 reference list which strongly speaks about him. Please make sure that this article reaches to maximum people in a detailed manner.122.161.77.241 (talk) 07:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Additional Article "Circular Chess for 6 Players" must be created and put in "See Also" of the existing article because lot of people would be curious to know in detail about circular chess for 6 players invented by inspirational kid, " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati". Moreover the subject is about, " Inventor", hence Invention must be an additional article. For example, the present article will go to category, " Inventor" but not " Invention"!?122.161.31.235 (talk) 05:00, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Respected ALL : Lot of the relevant Categories must be added as they are related to subject, " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati". For example: He is an inventor, therefore Category, Inventor, Inventors, Innovators are relevant to the subject, directly or indirectly. He is not only an " Indian Inventor" but also an, "Inventor". Since he is a Child/ Kid therefore any category related to Child/Kid/School and Child/Kid/School Achievers/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Since he is a Disabled/ Physically Handicapped/etc therefore any category related to Disabled/ Physically Handicapped/etc and Disabled/ Physically Handicapped Achievers/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Since the subject Inspires/ Motivates/etc as the subject has gone for a milestone despite hardships therefore any category related to Inspiration/Motivation/Inspire/Motivate/Inspirational/Motivational/Role Model/etc, directly or indirectly. Moreover he has invented a Circular Chess Variant for 2,3,4,6 Players therefore any category related to Chess Variant Inventor/ Circular Chess Inventor/History of Chess Variant Inventors/History of Circular Chess Variant Inventors/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Moreover he is an Indian Kid and an achiever, who hails from Jaipur/ Rajasthan and studying in a School. Therefore subject is related with any category that is related with Jaipur/Rajasthan/India and Jaipur/Rajasthan/India Achievers will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Regards122.161.31.235 (talk) 05:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

This page should not be speedy deleted because...
Based on Facts and supported by evidences, moreover it inspires people. If a disabled person achieves something that is a rarest of rare achievement that too despite facing extreme hardships then where comes promotional activity!?

This page should not be speedily deleted because... (your reason here) --Sudeepgangal (talk) 18:58, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

I am currently editing this page. This is not a promotional activity. Hridayeshwar is the youngest patent holder In India and he has asked me to prepare his wikipedia page. As I am new to wikipedia and I was posting in my 1st contribution I didn't new much about the restrictions you people have. Can you please help me out with which data needs to be removed immeditely so that I can get an idea on the terms I must take care of when I post my article again. Hridayeshwar is a 11 year old boy suffering from a muscular disability and is a patent holder for 6 player chess.

Thanks Sudeep Gangal


 * I have recreated the page with more appropriate content. Please be advised that if you are working with the subject of the article you have a conflict of interest and should not be making edits to the article. You are welcome to suggest changes on this talkpage, and to list any appropriate sources that are relevant. I'd be happy to help you to expand the article, but bear in mind that Wikipedia exists as a neutral tertiary source - we will only add information that is neutral in tone and verified by reliable sources. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:31, 22 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Plus, I'd choose some more neutral-sounding filenames next time! (A name like INVENTED CIRCULAR CHESS FOR 2,3,4,6 Players. which made him youngest patent holder of India and youngest disabled patent holder of the world is unnecessary and suggests the aim is promotional. A neutral filename instead would be more like Six-player chessboard invented by Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati (2011).) Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 10:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Rename (for the one image that's being used) requested at Commons. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  14:59, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

First of all Salute to Wikipedia for a great article, which is very inspiring. What is really inspiring is that a disabled kid suffering from fatal disease and who can not walk goes for a great invention. This article can motivate world as it is a case of " Rarest of rare achievement by the subject despite suffering from extreme hardships. I Appeal/Suggest Wikipedia/ Editors/ Moderators to make sure that the article about this kid must reach to all relevant areas/sections/pages of Wikipedia as it will inspire millions across the world. It is really shocking that his Categories are not complete. He should reach to all categories related directly/indirectly with Chess, Circular Chess, Chess Variants, Invention, Inventors, Prodigy, Child Prodigies, Innovations, Disabled, Disability, Dystrophy, Muscular Dystrophy, Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy, Genius, Milestone in disabled world, Inspiration, Role model, Motivational, Chess history, ..etc etc. I further appeal to Wikipedia/Editors/Moderators to please take a genuine initiative to write the article of subject in detail/cover all achievements, instead of being busy in deletion/Demoting the kudos of the rarest of rare kid that inspires world. Imagine, The Hindu is one of the best newspapers in India and the newspaper clearly wrote " A Chess prodigy with a difference" but no one took initiative for this kid who can not walk and brought tempest in the world of chess with his trembling fingers, Imagine, " India Today " is one of the best Media Platform in India clearly wrote " Like noble laureate the kid from Jaipur is genius in his own right" but no one took initiative for this kid who can not walk and brought tempest in the world of chess with his trembling fingers. Yes I appreciate the fact that anything promotional/non factual must be deleted/edited/terminated. But the disabled kid who inspires world by his rarest of rare achievements and having 13 reference list which strongly speaks about him. Please make sure that this article reaches to maximum people in a detailed manner.122.161.77.241 (talk) 07:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Spreading the word about inspiring people or events is not Wikipedia's purpose. See What Wikipedia is not. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Kind Inspection Invited for Respected Administrator: Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 One of the basic noble assumption of " Wikipedia" is to " Respect living people" and make " Wikipedia with a Collaborative efforts", with simplest rule of breadth with largest size possible which can contribute a lot for coming generations. Wikipedia is a never ending, continuous, ever growing process with the help of all volunteer editors. Are we following the same guidelines in this subject!? Doing injustice to this kids work will be like keeping coming generation and present generation away from a notable work which is verifiable, non temporary, based on highly reliable resources and will serve coming generation. Yes one or 2 media sources can be doubted but if 100 media sources from India has appreciated the subject, proves that the subject was worth. And obviously the subject was worth and praised by major media houses of India because they found his work/invention notable/worth. For your kind information 20 out of them reference already submitted Regards122.161.31.235 (talk) 09:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Respected ALL : Lot of the relevant Categories must be added as they are related to subject, " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati". For example: He is an inventor, therefore Category, Inventor, Inventors, Innovators are relevant to the subject, directly or indirectly. He is not only an " Indian Inventor" but also an, "Inventor". Since he is a Child/ Kid therefore any category related to Child/Kid/School and Child/Kid/School Achievers/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Since he is a Disabled/ Physically Handicapped/etc therefore any category related to Disabled/ Physically Handicapped/etc and Disabled/ Physically Handicapped Achievers/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Since the subject Inspires/ Motivates/etc as the subject has gone for a milestone despite hardships therefore any category related to Inspiration/Motivation/Inspire/Motivate/Inspirational/Motivational/Role Model/etc, directly or indirectly. Moreover he has invented a Circular Chess Variant for 2,3,4,6 Players therefore any category related to Chess Variant Inventor/ Circular Chess Inventor/History of Chess Variant Inventors/History of Circular Chess Variant Inventors/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Moreover he is an Indian Kid and an achiever, who hails from Jaipur/ Rajasthan and studying in a School. Therefore subject is related with any category that is related with Jaipur/Rajasthan/India and Jaipur/Rajasthan/India Achievers will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Regards122.161.31.235 (talk) 05:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

This page should not be speedy deleted because...
Based on Facts and supported by evidences, moreover it inspires people. If a disabled person achieves something that is a rarest of rare achievement that too despite facing extreme hardships then where comes promotional activity!? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.77.241 (talk) 07:00, 29 May 2013 (UTC) Kind attention/ Editors + Moderators + Administrator of this Article : http://www.goodnewstv.com.au/breaking-world-news-positive-news-special-kid-emerging-as-latest-global-inspiration/122.161.77.241 (talk) 07:29, 29 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.77.241 (talk) 07:03, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Kind attention :: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hridayeshwar_Singh_Bhati_with_his_invention_of_2,3,4,6_Players_Circular_Chess_that_made_him_youngest_patent_holder_of_India_and_Youngest_disabled_patent_holder_of_the_World..JPG122.161.77.241 (talk) 07:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC) Awesome Article : Respect for this wonder kid : I really appreciate such kind of positive articles on Wikipedia182.64.83.228 (talk) 10:05, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The beauty of this article is that it is purely supported by reliable resources. The article is very inspiring, non commercial, non promotional and serves mankind in the best possible manner. Great respect for Wikipedia for giving a great gift to mankind182.64.83.228 (talk) 10:11, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Ultra respected dignities: Editors of Wikipedia/Administrator of this article/Moderator of this article: The subject of this article and deeds of the subject, " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati" are Awesome and Mind blowing that too supported with references, which are eminent media sources from India. HATS OFF to this wonder kid for reaching a great milestone despite suffering from grim medical conditions. This article is having potential for raising self esteem of the people across the world182.64.83.228 (talk) 13:43, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Additional Article "Circular Chess for 6 Players" must be created and put in "See Also" of the existing article because lot of people would be curious to know in detail about circular chess for 6 players invented by inspirational kid, " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati". Moreover the subject is about, " Inventor", hence Invention must be an additional article. For example, the present article will go to category, " Inventor" but not " Invention"!?122.161.31.235 (talk) 04:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Respected ALL : Lot of the relevant Categories must be added as they are related to subject, " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati". For example: He is an inventor, therefore Category, Inventor, Inventors, Innovators are relevant to the subject, directly or indirectly. He is not only an " Indian Inventor" but also an, "Inventor". Since he is a Child/ Kid therefore any category related to Child/Kid/School and Child/Kid/School Achievers/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Since he is a Disabled/ Physically Handicapped/etc therefore any category related to Disabled/ Physically Handicapped/etc and Disabled/ Physically Handicapped Achievers/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Since the subject Inspires/ Motivates/etc as the subject has gone for a milestone despite hardships therefore any category related to Inspiration/Motivation/Inspire/Motivate/Inspirational/Motivational/Role Model/etc, directly or indirectly. Moreover he has invented a Circular Chess Variant for 2,3,4,6 Players therefore any category related to Chess Variant Inventor/ Circular Chess Inventor/History of Chess Variant Inventors/History of Circular Chess Variant Inventors/etc will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Moreover he is an Indian Kid and an achiever, who hails from Jaipur/ Rajasthan and studying in a School. Therefore subject is related with any category that is related with Jaipur/Rajasthan/India and Jaipur/Rajasthan/India Achievers will be relevant for the subject, directly or indirectly. Regards122.161.31.235 (talk) 05:36, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That is not how categories work. See WP:COP. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:12, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

High Notability/Credibility/Importance of the Subject's Invention: Why?
1. Verifiable by reliable resources.

2. Invention inspires: Rarest of rare achievement in extreme hardships.

3. Let us be Fair to Subject: Sheldon Cooper invented 4 players circular Chess and got awesome Wikipedia platform, became a global celebrity though he was an adult, not a disabled kid fighting against a fatal disease.

4. More difficult to invent: 6 players Circular chess was more difficult to be made than 4 players circular chess by Sheldon Cooper.

5. Popularity of Variant: As far as how many people play 6 players circular chess is concerned than the same logic applies to 4 players circular chess by Sheldon Cooper. Obviously maximum people rather absolute majority plays traditional chess only.

6. Same Side of 2 Coins: Inventor and Invention are 2 sides of the same coin.

7. Chess lovers friendly: 6 players circular chess is friendly to chess lovers as the existing rules of traditional chess are still intact. But this is not the case with most of the circular chess variants, including 4 players circular chess by Sheldon Cooper.

8. High Utility: In 6 players circular chess 2, 3, 4, 6 players/teams can play in multiple/simple format and that too with existing chess rules intact.

9. Promotion of Subject/Subject's invention will serve mankind: Lot of the people across the world be inspired, motivated.

10. Disabled Friendly/Inspiring Invention

11. Chess lovers Friendly/Inspiring Invention

12. Child/Kid friendly/inspiring Invention

13. Invention makes every disabled/Child/Suffering from fatal disease/Indian/Chess lovers/etc proud/Inspired122.161.31.235 (talk) 07:11, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * You are correct on item 1. The rest of your list is - and I really can't stress this enough - completely irrelevant to Wikipedia. See Notability on Wikipedia. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  07:14, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

What about point number 3 Sir Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水. Anyway it is purely your show. Regards.122.161.31.235 (talk) 07:42, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Moreover Sir Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水, " Notability is not temporary" in the case of invention by the subject122.161.31.235 (talk) 07:47, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Moreover Sir Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水, One of the basic noble assumption of " Wikipedia" is to " Respect living people" and make " Wikipedia with a Collaborative efforts", with simplest rule of breadth with largest size possible which can contribute a lot for coming generations. Wikipedia is a never ending, continuous, ever growing process with the help of all volunteer editors. Are we following the same guidelines in this subject!? Doing injustice to this kids work will be like keeping coming generation and present generation away from a notable work which is verifiable, non temporary, based on highly reliable resources and will serve coming generation. Yes one or 2 media sources can be doubted but if 100 media sources from India has appreciated the subject, proves that the subject was worth. And obviously the subject was worth and praised by major media houses of India because they found his work/invention notable/worth. For your kind information 20 out of them reference already submitted Regards.122.161.31.235 (talk) 08:44, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * And most of those references simply repeat the same material (often in the same words), making them unnecessary. See WP:REFBOMB. Once again, we are not here to promote, advertise, or spread the word about the subject's work. I recognise that English is not your first language, but if you genuiniely cannot understand the concept of an encyclopedia, it would be best if you did not try and add to Wikipedia. Make a Facebook page instead, you can say what you like there (and it will probably get more attention). Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  09:23, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Important Note for Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 ,Ihardlythinkso (talk) We should not be rude to people who are pure in their intentions, even if they are bit mistaken in their methods as they are new to Wikipedia or their first language in not English. There are 1448 Administrators but Wikipedia serves more than trillion people across the world. It is unfortunate that the contributor 122.161.31.235 is blocked, despite the fact that the contributor was very pure in his/her intentions. But his/her fault was his/her methods. Moreover it is my humble request to Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 ,Ihardlythinkso (talk), " Please do not hurt some one by saying that they lack knowledge or Asking them to run to other platforms. I Beg you all, please maintain the existing decorum of wikipedia.122.161.3.188 (talk) 17:45, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Regarding point number 3, I cannot find anything on Wikipedia regarding "Sheldon Cooper 4 players circular Chess". Ihardlythinkso (talk) 09:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That's probably because Sheldon Cooper is a fictional character... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:32, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * ... who in the context of a fictional TV show did in fact invent a form of three-player chess. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  10:35, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks. (Perhaps the users here s/b informed that Wikia is not same thing as Wikipedia!?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 10:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Or indeed, that made-up chess variants in television shows are not the same thing as playable, real-life chess variants... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  11:48, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. (Keep in mind though, there are several chess variants that have successfully breached notability, that aren't really playable. [Invented as problem themes, experiments, or diversions. In most cases the inventors seem to be mathematicians. {Believe me ... you doonah wanna know more about it! ;) }]) Ok, Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Note for : Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 ,Ihardlythinkso (talk) :: 6 Players Circular Chess can be played very easily as it is chess lovers friendly. But as far as popularity is concerned, no chess variant can be compared with traditional chess.But above all what matters the most is, " Who invented and in What circumstances". That is really worth of BIG SALUTE.122.161.3.188 (talk) 17:13, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * The Wikipedia encyclopedia is not about making "big salutes". So these are your personal feelings, which are fine but don't apply here. Regarding games, most games players know not who the inventor of their favorite boardgame is, they play because the game is fun, for relaxation, or for the challenge of competition. A game stands or falls on its own regardless who the inventor is or the circumstances of invention. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 17:26, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear Ihardlythinkso (talk), Obviously that was Big salute by me and these are not only my personal feelings but type " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati" on Google search to know the reality. If i was subject i would have reported the matter to top think tank of Wikipedia and if they did not respond then would have asked Wikipedia to delete the article. Obviously the kid does not deserves Humiliation. God bless you Best Wishes122.161.3.188 (talk) 17:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Feelings are not the standard that governs what is or is not addable to Wikipedia. Regarding "humiliation", I have no idea what that is in reference to. And I'm not at all clear what the specific Wikipedia objective is for further dialogue here. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 18:10, 30 May 2013 (UTC)

Please Edit the article : News of the subject at National and International News (Today 26/6/2013)
Respected Administrator Sir: News of Hridayeshwar singh bhati appeared today (26/6/2013) in " Daily Mail" London under the title " Child Prodigy adds new twist to Chess game". His news also appeared today (26/6/2013) in "Mail today" at national level in India under the title " Child Prodigy adds new twist to Chess game". Note: " Mail Today" is the reputed newspaper of top most media group in India known by " India Today" Group.

Link1 (Mail Today) : http://epaper.mailtoday.in/showtext.aspx?boxid=21950968&parentid=82154&issuedate=2662013

Link 2: ( Daily Mail) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2348320/DESERT-TALES

I approach the respected administrator sir to please update the article of Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati. My suggestion would be to add, "Child Prodigy", " Inventor of 12 players circular chess", " Inventor of 60 players circular chess", " Inventor of game with maximum players" in the article and about him. Moreover add the following links to the reference list. Moreover the following categories can also be added in tagged: " Child Prodigy", " Child Prodigies", etc. Last but not the list i approach the respected administrator sir to please, " Edit + Add + Enrich" the article as per his wisdom and great knowledge based on latest development. Regards122.161.54.190 (talk) 06:26, 26 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.54.190 (talk) 06:14, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

hat's off to the wonder kid
Hridayeshwar achieved a patent at the age of 9, is a amazing fact. We all gain some inspiration from this boy who is the youngest patent holder in India for his 6 player chess and also the inventor of 12 and 60 players chess despite all the uncommon hardships he has been facing. Hat's off — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.235.96 (talk) 04:42, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Redundant sources
Some of the sources in the article are redundant, and I have removed them here. Such sources will ordinarily be not used (because there are more reliable sources) unless they say something the other sources dont -
 * http://www.bhaskar.com/article/MAG-play-chess-3176718.html
 * http://www.newsreporter.in/9-yr-old-differently-abled-boy-gets-child-innovator-award
 * http://news.vikatan.com/article.php?module=news&aid=7550#cmt241
 * http://www.myindiancolors.com/archives/37945
 * http://zeenews.india.com/news/rajasthan/disabled-boy-gets-patent-for-6-players-chess_766957.html
 * http://dnasyndication.com/dna/dna_english_news_and_features/9-yr-old-gets-patent-for-6-players%E2%80%99-chess/DNJAI29918
 * http://www.balajisociety.org/sbs-for-social.html

Cheers, TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:21, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Respected TheOriginalSoni (talk) Sir: Yes Sir four of the above references are redundant and will not say some thing else. Now i invite your kind attention for the three references from above references, following your instructions sir. May be i might be bit mistaken but i believe that those references are serving a purpose and conveying something which other references are not doing.

1: http://www.bhaskar.com/article/MAG-play-chess-3176718.html This is only reference which is talking about 6 players circular chess in Hindi

2: http://www.myindiancolors.com/archives/37945 This reference was the first video news cover story of the subject in English with high quality Video. This Video exists only in this link. This Video was also used by Yahoo News (http://in.news.yahoo.com/video/national-26073656/youngest-patent-holder-invents-6-players-chess-28805695.html ).

3. http://news.vikatan.com/article.php?module=news&aid=7550#cmt241 This this only reference available in South Indian language ie A reference based on non English and non Hindi language that too with unique and different content. Respected Regards Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati (talk) 09:36, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Dear TheOriginalSoni

6 and 60 player chess needs elaboration and it was defined in the article above. All references were given of trusted resources like news channels and news updates. If people will be unable to know about what all this 6 player chess and 60 player chess do, it will be disappointment for many of us. I kindly request you to please restore all data given before. Hridayeshwar is a pride of India as he is not only the youngest patent holder in India but also the developer of a game which can be played my maximum number of players.

Earlier I was told that trusted references for every thing i write here is important and when I am also declaring them, I just cannot understand what is going wrong. Please help me out with more suggestions. Yunshui told me not to update this page till the time any new invention comes in. I had came back to editing this page after I had sufficient links of Media reports from big newspapers like daily main (UK) about 60 player chess. And the update I did about a couple of days ago was cleared by him. Its a big disappointment for a young kid who has achieved a lot despite all hardships he has faced.

Let us know what all issues were there which created problems and how can we get the older page back again Sudeepgangal (talk) 06:57, 30 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudeepgangal (talk • contribs) 09:10, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Respected Administrator Sir: Is it fair to punish the subject, when it deserved award. Why the subject should suffer due to mismanagement by other editors. Obviously the subject deserves and inspires every one and it is the duty of administrators to update and edit as and when required. News of Hridayeshwar singh bhati appeared on (26/6/2013) in " Daily Mail" London under the title " Child Prodigy adds new twist to Chess game". His news also appeared on (26/6/2013) in "Mail today" at national level in India under the title " Child Prodigy adds new twist to Chess game". Note: " Mail Today" is the reputed newspaper of top most media group in India known by " India Today" Group. Link1 (Mail Today) : http://epaper.mailtoday.in/showtext.aspx?boxid=21950968&parentid=82154&issuedate=2662013 Link 2: ( Daily Mail) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2348320/DESERT-TALES I approach the respected administrator sir to please update the article of Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati. My suggestion would be to add, "Child Prodigy", " Inventor of 12 players circular chess", " Inventor of 60 players circular chess", " Inventor of game with maximum players" in the article and about him. Moreover add the following links to the reference list. Moreover the following categories can also be added in tagged: " Child Prodigy", " Child Prodigies", etc. Last but not the list i approach the respected administrator sir to please, " Edit + Add + Enrich" the article as per his wisdom and great knowledge based on latest development. Regards122.161.60.207 (talk) 09:43, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Shocking:: Instead of updating article due to the News of the subject (National and International on 26/6/2013), Are we justified in diminishing the article?
Respected Administrator Sir: Is it fair to punish the subject, when it deserved award. Why the subject should suffer due to mismanagement by other editors. Obviously the subject deserves and inspires every one and it is the duty of administrators to update and edit as and when required. News of Hridayeshwar singh bhati appeared on (26/6/2013) in " Daily Mail" London under the title " Child Prodigy adds new twist to Chess game". His news also appeared on (26/6/2013) in "Mail today" at national level in India under the title " Child Prodigy adds new twist to Chess game". Note: " Mail Today" is the reputed newspaper of top most media group in India known by " India Today" Group. Link1 (Mail Today) : http://epaper.mailtoday.in/showtext.aspx?boxid=21950968&parentid=82154&issuedate=2662013 Link 2: ( Daily Mail) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2348320/DESERT-TALES I approach the respected administrator sir to please update the article of Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati. My suggestion would be to add, "Child Prodigy", " Inventor of 12 players circular chess", " Inventor of 60 players circular chess", " Inventor of game with maximum players" in the article and about him. Moreover add the following links to the reference list. Moreover the following categories can also be added in tagged: " Child Prodigy", " Child Prodigies", etc. Last but not the list i approach the respected administrator sir to please, " Edit + Add + Enrich" the article as per his wisdom and great knowledge based on latest development. Regards122.161.60.207 (talk) 09:41, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Disappointing
WWhat Information about Hridayeshwar’s 12 player and 60 players chess has been removed from Wikipedia. This is really bad on the part of Wikipedia because they are not providing the information about a person who is the youngest patent holder in India and also a g8 disappointment for Hridayeshwar. 202.65.142.69 (talk) 09:09, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati
An article on Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati who is the youngest patent holder in India is not complete. I just saw the history and the talk page and I cannot believe it. Approved data was removed by Wikipedia A great disappointment 106.78.97.35 (talk) 07:04, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Please Update the information
Yesterday I read of an article in Daily News about the boy who is the inventor of 12 and 60 player chess and suffering from a rare disease. I came back to wiki page to get more info on this young kid but the information here seems to be inadequate. Please can you update the info about him so that we can know more about him — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashish94304 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 30 June 2013 (UTC) Ashish srivastava

I want to know more
I request Wikipedia to please update this page with the complete information. I just read about this boy in mail Today and I wanted to know more about him. Please update the page wiki. 122.161.189.118 (talk) 07:47, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

I want to know more
I request Wikipedia to please update this page with the complete information. I just read about this boy in mail Today and I wanted to know more about him. Please update the page wiki. 122.161.189.118 (talk) 07:50, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Appeal: Administrator Sir and Major Contributor (YUNSHUI Sir) must rise to the occasion and solve the dispute which is very unfortunate for an inspirational subject.
An inspirational article which was launched due to Administrator of this subject Yunshui with some contributions of Sudeepgangal has landed up in such a stage that it is humiliating for all readers and humiliating for the subject " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati", who is the pride of 110 crores Indians and who is a real inspiration to the World. I appeal to the administrator Sir, Yunshui who is also the major contributor of the article of the subject to rise to the occasion and do justice to the article of the subject. Regards122.161.221.183 (talk) 08:24, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

It is very unfair. Hridayeshwar is a pride for all the Indians and Jaipurites. In his latest inventions i.e. 12 and 60 players chess has not been added to this article. Wikipedia is a source to give required information to all people and if such things happen here it is disappointing. Hridayeshwar is a child who has invented various variants of chess despite all odds. If Wikipedia don’t add this content this will be very disappointing. 116.202.25.249 (talk) 09:45, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

This deserves to be on a knowledge source like wiki--
It is very unfair. Hridayeshwar is a pride for all the Indians and Jaipurites. In his latest inventions i.e. 12 and 60 players chess has not been added to this article. Wikipedia is a source to give required information to all people and if such things happen here it is disappointing. Hridayeshwar is a child who has invented various variants of chess despite all odds. If Wikipedia don’t add this content this will be very disappointing. 116.202.25.249 (talk) 10:46, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Incomplete information
I have read a lot about Hridayeshwar before, but was unable to find anything here. When I looked into the talk page and the activity column I came to know that a lot of work had been done on this page by Yunshui and Sudeepgangal but it was removed by some other person. I don't really understand a use of an article if it is incomplete. Hridayeshwar is well known for his 6 player chess, and I just read in an Indian daily that he has now Invented 12 and 60 player chess. No description is available on those prospects. And how are the references being ignored. The reference from daily mail(UK) clearly mentioned about his 12 and 60 player chess. WE people come to wikipedia to get information about people, technologies etc. but on this page we are not able to retrieve anything from here. Please all the authors, contributers and wikipedia admin complete this page. There are many more things which need to be mentioned about Hridayeshwar117.196.228.93 (talk) 12:38, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia: I am unable to complete my Homework
Sir today is Sunday and tomorrow at school I have to show a report to my teacher. I wanted full information about Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati and like always I came to Wikipedia to know about him. But after reading the talk page I feel like that apart from the given information many more things are there. I always come to Wikipedia to complete my assignments but I am unable to do it right now. I want you to please add substantial data about the 12 and 60 player chess. I know Wikipedia will help me in this whole project like always.117.196.244.45 (talk) 14:02, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Solution: Administrator Sir must protect the article from editing after updating the article in a proper manner. Article and Subject are deserving therefore it deserves to reach the WIKIPEDIA users.
This article is a very good source of information and inspiration. The article on the subject will not only serve the present generations but also serve future generations. The article is based on verifiable and reliable resources. The subject is highly notable with a very good credibility. Moreover the importance, utility and potential of the article is non temporary and eternal. Therefore Administrator must take severe action against people involved in distorting the article and protect the article. Administrator must update the article taking care of all the information about the subject. The greatest predictability about the subject is its credibility and administrator must make sure that the article is updated.122.161.218.145 (talk) 04:13, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

To all new editors
Welcome to Wikipedia! To get started, please read Plain and simple. If that's too much, please read WP:PEACOCK and WP:BLPSTYLE. We are not here to heap praise upon the subject, bolster nationalistic pride, or inspire future generations. The subject received a patent for a variant of chess. Nothing more and nothing less. -- Neil N   talk to me  05:11, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The subject invented 6, 12, 60 players circular chess and the same is supported by verifiable and reliable resources. Hence the subject must be edited by experienced editors. Well said by NeilN, that new editors must learn WIKIPEDIA But experienced editors must update or edit as and when required properly to avoid such incidents.122.161.89.28 (talk) 08:01, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Experienced editor edited that the subject got patent in 2013 and i corrected it as 2012. Respected NeilN Sir, Please go through the article to confirm who was right? Moreover Sir the subject is "A Disabled kid of 9 years fighting against fatal disease and despite all odds he invented 6, 12, 60 players circular chess variants". Newspapers/Media quoted him as "Child Prodigy", "Rarest of rare chess prodigy". I request you sir to please go through the references, which are reliable and verifiable and which support the above description about subject.122.161.89.28 (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2013 (UTC)


 * 2012 is correct - thank you for that correction. Newspapers, especially those running "feel good" stories, are unqualified to label someone a child prodigy. If an established chess journal or expert called him that, then we could consider adding that label. -- Neil N   talk to me  09:35, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Last Request before leaving platform of Wikipedia forever!
My IP ID is 122.161.. Rest goes on changing. I have already disclosed my identity My address and Mobile number. I was enthusiastic in this subject because i knew the subject very well as i observe him daily fighting with life and death as i live in the same apartment of the Wonder kid as paying guest. Yes it is a fact that i never used multiple Wikipedia accounts or Multiple IP. Yes we have a common WIFI/Wireless in the apartment and i shared the broad band connection airtel number too. Please check records. My request to all of you is that please do justice to the subject. If i was that bad, then i would have edited the article too!. If all were justified then why no one is taking initiative to edit it properly and timely in a justified manner. What is the fault of the wonder kid who has gone for rarest of rare achievement despite extreme hardships? If any mistake or fault or violation or vandalism or sockpuppet etc etc is done by anyone, including me..Why the kid should suffer for same? Anyway WIKIPEDIA is God and the platform is heaven. I have no patience left for participating in Wikipedia. Yes the subject inspired me and i was very motivated as i used to observe the kid daily. But i have no stamina left out to get humiliated by WIKIPEDIA. Best Wishes Wikipedia. It is my gentleman promise that you will never find 122.161..Anywhere on Wikipedia forever.122.161.89.28 (talk) 09:04, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:COI. -- Neil N   talk to me  09:28, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Declaration by the subject@ I trust no one except Wikipedia and its committed team
Wikipedia must over haul the complete article and edit as per their policy and norms. People who claim to my well wishers are not prudent. Even the major contributor of this article Sudeepgangal has spoiled the article by editing the article directly without seeking the valuable advice from the experienced and devoted team at some instances. He forgot that Administrator Sir launched the article. In future Sudeepgangal must work like an assistant to talented team of Wikipedia. I request Wikipedia to please edit the article as per their wish and norms considering the available references and information. This will also lead to deletion of the tag of " Close connection" and will result in cleaning of the complete article. I am always ready to contribute and cooperate with Wikipedia team as and when required. I will not feel unhappy even my article is removed from Wikipedia. Happiness for me is the conviction of Wikipedia about this article. If Wikipedia is not convinced about this article they must delete it. But if they are convinced about this article then please overhaul, update, edit the article as per Wikipedia norms. Please Clean it. Please get it free from " Close connection" tag.
 * The article seems neutral (but over-referenced) so I've removed the tag. Thank you for encouraging everyone to follow our policies and guidelines. -- Neil N   talk to me  17:39, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Respected  Neil N   talk to me  Sir: Thanks from core of my heart. I request you to please recommend Wikipedia to completely over haul the article after going through all the references and information. In short i am eagerly waiting for Wikipedia to edit/overhaul/update/enrich/reduce as per Wikipedia's conviction.

Suggestion based on Reference 2 and Reference 13 to avoid inconsistency (Not sure as i am a layman kid and naive to Wikipedia)
Respected All:As i am a layman and a kid therefore I am afraid to give a suggestion. What i noticed is that the article on the subject mentioned that subject invented 60 players circular chess based on reference 2 and 13 but those reference also mentioned that the subject invented 12 players circular chess also. Hence as a layman kid and naive to Wikipedia, I am not able to understand the inconsistency behind it. If i am right, as i am not sure then my suggestion would be to go for following edits. Article edit (Add : Subject invented 12 players and 60 players circular chess variants). Known For edit : (Add: Inventor of 12 players circular chess, Inventor of 60 players circular chess)Respected Regards

Suggestion: WikiProject Disability
Respected All: The subject is disabled kid of 10.5 years suffering from a fatal disease duchenne muscular dystrophy (DMD). The subject is suffering from 65% disability presently and the nature of disability is permanent and progressive. The subject has gone for achievements despite the above hardships. The Subject has proved that even if disease can not be cured it can be defeated. Moreover the subject has won CavinKare disability National award in India which was organized by reputed organizations like Hindu, Zee News, Disney India, UTV, Ability foundation and Cavinkare. All the above lines can be verified in the references. Yes i am a disabled kid, layman and naive to Wikipedia. Hence my suggestion might not be right. My suggestion is that please analyse whether this subject is of any importance to WikiProject Disability. Respected Regards

Subject : Child Prodigy?
According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_prodigy A child prodigy is someone who, at an early age, develops one or more skills at a level far beyond the norm for their age. A prodigy has to be a child, or at least younger than 18 years, who is performing at the level of a highly trained adult in a very demanding field of endeavour. The subject became youngest patent holder in India at the age of just 9 years by inventing circular chess of 6 players with assistance of his father. Subsequently he invented 12 players circular chess and 60 players circular chess at the age of 10 years 3 months that too without assistance of his father. Moreover the subject has given a fair contribution by designing economic mobility vehicle in India. These contributions by the subject are far more than the norm of his age that too under the drastic conditions of grim medical conditions. Who else can be the best judge than the Wikipedia team to decide the status of " Child Prodigy" of the subject. Yes i agree that the most reputed media sources that mentioned the subject in headlines as " A Chess Prodigy with a difference", " Child prodigy adds another twist to game of chess" might have done the same to create "feel good" in their cover story. But lot of experts in chess wrote blogs about the subject which are not in the reference list. Lot of Chess websites and Chess bloggers has shared the link of the subject's news and work. Please Guide Me for the Status of subject as far as Child Prodigy is concerned. If required i will submit the references. Respected Regards

One of the reference for kind attention of Wikipedia. If required i will submit more. CHESS NEWS BLOG: chessblog.com appreciated the subject. It is USA's Top Daily Chess News Blog, Informative, Fun, and Positive hosted by Chess Queen & 12th Women's World Chess Champion Alexandra Kosteniuk. Link: http://www.chessblog.com/2012/03/kids-chess-inspiration-helps-him-look.html#comment-form

In addition to above reference 2, 8, 3, 13 clearly mentioned the subject as prodigy in the " Title of the news". Respected Regards
 * A blog is still a blog. And it is the self-declared "USA's Top Daily Chess News Blog" which means nothing. As I stated above, provide a reference to an established published chess journal or expert. -- Neil N   talk to me  13:57, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Respected  Neil N   talk to me  Sir: For your kind attention http://csim.in/conversations/Conversations-March2013.pdf Story 2 Spot light. In this chronicle the subject is quoted as " Mini Stephen Hawkings", "Wonder Boy" ( Wikipedia mentioned Child prodigy and wonder kid as similar), "Youngest disabled patent holder of the world" and " Kid who inspires World" Respected RegardsHridayeshwar Singh Bhati (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
 * How is this an established published chess journal or expert? At this point, I think you need to back off. It's getting a little unseemly with you constantly pushing the child prodigy label for yourself. If other editors find a good source, they will add it. -- Neil N    talk to me  16:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Respected  Neil N   talk to me  Sir: OK Sir Respected Regards. This issue is closed from my side forever as you have guided me well Sir. RegardsHridayeshwar Singh Bhati (talk) 17:04, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Categories::Suggestion (Not sure as very difficult to understand " How categories work"
Respected All : I am very sure that i was not able to understand how categories work even after reading the " How categories work" Even the first step " Content tree" was difficult to understand. I also tried to analyse the categories of Subjects similar to the subject " Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati". Even after this analysis I was not able to understand Categories. But after doing this work sincerely i realized that the categories selection about a subject is a very difficult, logical and analytical job. After studying categories in above manner i feel that these categories can be added and obviously i am not sure for my suggestion.Categories: People from Jaipur, People from Rajasthan, People with disabilities, Indian people with disabilities, Child Prodigy, Board game designers. Respected Regards

Suggestion: Inventions of the subject should be covered as the subject is an inventor
Respected All: Inventor and his inventions are 2 sides of the same coin. The subject is notable and is existing on Wikipedia due to his work only. The subject invented 6, 12, 60 players circular chess variants. The subject has also contributed for Economic mobility vehicle in India. My suggestion would be to have "See Also" for Hridayeshwar's 6 players circular chess, Hridayeshwar's 12 players circular chess, Hridayeshwar's 60 players circular chess and Hridayeshwar's Economic Mobility Vehicle Idea and a brief introduction about these work in the content of the article. Respected RegardsHridayeshwar Singh Bhati (talk) 07:32, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Is it fair? ::Latest edit by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GiantSnowman
Respected http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GiantSnowman Sir: Your latest edit removed, " Date of Birth, Place of Birth, Category: Innovator , Category: 2002 Births. I am not able to understand the latest edits. Respected Regards Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati (talk) 13:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source we can cite for your birth place and date? -- Neil N   talk to me  13:52, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * You could even use something like a birth certificate or an ID proof, if you would mail it to info-en@wikimedia.org TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:21, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Respected All : Reference 2,3,4,16,17 = Jaipur in heading. Moreover most of the references clearly wrote that i got patent in March 2012. Further they also wrote that i invented circular chess at the age of 9 years and got patent in 9.5 years. Moreover Sir I was never asked for these certificates which i am having Passport, ID, PAN CARD And information was removed. Anyway sir Respected regards.Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati (talk) 14:35, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hridayeshwar - I think the problem is that there would be no source which would directly say that you were born in 2002, and to add that might be WP:OR. IF NO SOURCES ARE AVAILABLE, then it is possible for you do choose this other way to confirm your age. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:50, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Turns out I was wrong. We can use only reliable sources or none at all. OTRS was for providing information about Wikipedia and its policies. We generally do not edit because of email. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:36, 4 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The subject's date and place of birth have been verified via OTRS. 2013070410008797. I will note that verification is typically done to contest an incorrect DOB, and it has the effect of removing the date if there is no reliable secondary source for it (passports and birth certificates are what we consider primary sources). In this case as there seems to be no such source and the subject himself has essentially agreed to publish their own birth date, I will leave it to him and other involved editors to reach consensus on the matter. § FreeRangeFrog croak 18:26, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Appeal from subject to Wikipedia:: Please delete the article (If not worth)
Respected All. I want to appeal as subject to keep the article only if Wikipedia is convinced that the article satisfies Wikipedia Criterion. Otherwise please delete the article.I have no stamina left to make myself heard. Tried All ways out, Dispute resolution notice board etc. I never edited my Article and put all my suggestions on Talk Page. But even that was taken as Self praise. Most important factor for me is the conviction of Wikipedia for subject. If Subject is not worth please delete it. Respected RegardsHridayeshwar Singh Bhati (talk) 16:47, 4 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you can't just leave things the way they are. Articles on Wikipedia are never "finished"; we have hundreds of thousands of "stub articles" which only have three or four sentences. They might get expanded, they might not. The best thing you can do is forget you have an article and let others take care of it. -- Neil N   talk to me  16:57, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Respected  Neil N   talk to me  Sir: OK Sir I will follow your advice. I meant every word that i wrote on Wikipedia. But for me this chapter is closed. I will never come to Wikipedia for Talk or suggestions or at any place. I will forget that there is any article on Wikipedia about me. Respected Regards Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati (talk) 17:18, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Press Trust of India : Latest News for Subject of the article : Please Update Article/References/Categories/Importance
Respected Authorities: Subject of the article got 2 more patents from Government of India and this news was covered by PTI Press Trust of India. All the following links are based on that news.Respected Authorities: I am father of the subject of the article. I approach you all with the due request to Update Article/References/Categories/Importance/Wiki project due to this news.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/rajasthan/11-yr-old-with-fatal-disorder-makes-a-name-in-chess-invention_876609.html

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/1889043/report-11-yr-old-with-fatal-disorder-makes-a-name-in-chess-invention

http://purj.in/s/11-Yr-Old-with-Fatal-Disorder-Makes-a-Name-in-Chess-Invention.html

http://news.silobreaker.com/11yrold-with-fatal-disorder-makes-a-name-in-chess-invention-5_2267103244943622181

http://www.newsco.me/content/go/story?news=258696

http://www.inooz.in/article/view/1909789/11-yr-old-with-fatal-disorder-makes-a-name-in-chess-invention/092013

http://quicksportsnews.com/11-yr-old-with-fatal-disorder-makes-a-name-in-chess-invention-daily-news-analysis/

http://www.popbuzz.me/in/p/2199913/

Additional reference : Chess Expert http://susanpolgar.blogspot.in/2013/09/disabled-kid-suffering-from-fatal.html

RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 03:11, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added info about the two new patents. -- Neil N   talk to me  03:27, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N   talk to me  First of all thanks to you sir and Salute Wikipedia for having a great person like you in the team to respond so fast. Respected Sir Please go through the reference 14, which clearly mentions subject as Child prodigy and that too with reasons. I request you sir to consider the subject for Wiki Project Child prodigy and add Child prodigy as an additional Category. Moreover Known for : Inventor of 12 players Circular Chess, Inventor of 60 players Circular Chess can also be added. In addition to it Additional reference as followed(Kind Inspection) : Chess Expert mentioned the subject of the article as Chess Prodigy, Inspiration etc http://susanpolgar.blogspot.in/2013/09/disabled-kid-suffering-from-fatal.html Additional reference(Kind Inspection) which quotes the subject as " Emerging global inspirational kid" http://news.itved.com/2013/09/15/breaking-world-news-positive-news-special-kid-emerging-as-latest-global-inspiration/ RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 03:53, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no. I would oppose adding the prodigy label until a chess journal or a chess expert labels him as such. You have provided a blog and a general news source which are notoriously eager to label any child with notable accomplishments a "prodigy". -- Neil N   talk to me  03:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N   talk to me  OK Sir thanks for concern and quick response. What about editing of Known For : Inventor of 12 players Circular Chess, Inventor of 60 players Circular Chess. Moreover i was not able to understand Importance Low in Wiki Project India for the subject RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 04:16, 16 September 2013 (UTC)
 * @Sarower Sigh Bhati I've added those two to the infobox. The Importance scale is not a reflection of the subject's worth, but rather the probability of the average reader needing to look up the topic when reading about the project. In this case, there is a low probability that a reader reading about India will need to look up Hridayeshwar Singh Bhati. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  05:12, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  First of all thanks for great efforts. Secondly please block Sudeep Gangal. Last but not the least, Kind Attention Please: 2 more additional references: Please update the article accordingly Reference 1 : The Hindu National News India.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-in-school/wheelchairbound-chess-prodigy-invents-new-variant/article5132145.ece

Reference 2 : Declared the subject of article as LITTLE WONDER

http://epaper.patrika.com/c/1641920 RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 05:27, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  Respected Sir Inventions by Hridayeshwar has been accepted as Intellectual property of India. Kind inspection Please(Following link):: Intellectual Property India : Indian Government News (Government News/ News Wire) for Article of subject: Please Update the article accordingly. I also appeal and request to reconsider his status as Child prodigy and Importance in India. As this reference is as per your requirement sir.

http://htsyndication.com/htsportal/article?arid=%221459028%22&pub=%22Indian+Government+News%22 RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 06:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please stop lobbying to add puffery to the article about your son. This is not your son's website and we do not add links to every single mention of him. Regarding chess prodigy, you still have not produced a reference from a recognized chess expert or chess journal. Regarding Importance, no, it is very, very, very unlikely a reader would need to look up your son's biography when reading about India. All these requests do is reinforce the fact you are not here to build an encyclopedia but rather only here to promote your son. While this is laudable for a father, it is totally wrong for a Wikipedia editor. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  08:03, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  The following link is based on a Journal with the number and date mentioned. Moreover it is based on Journal on Intellectual Property India by Government of India. Updating and Suggesting on talk section is a desirable feature Sir I am not editing any thing on the article.Obviously it is duty of the father of the article of the subject to update/suggest for any developments. http://htsyndication.com/htsportal/article?arid=%221459028%22&pub=%22Indian+Government+News%22 RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 08:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * How many times do I have to repeat this? CHESS JOURNAL (see this for examples). -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  09:04, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  The reference of a journal of intellectual property of India is insufficient to prove the article as Child prodigy!? 3 Heading of the news has mentioned the article of the subject as Child prodigy that too at National and global level is neglected!? Above all the official source of media of Government PTI (Press Trust of India) not only mentioned him to be Child prodigy but mentioned clear cut reasons for same. Kind inspection latest News reference added by you sir. It clearly mentioned that Child is having Skills and competence for Corel draw, geometry, mathematical understanding, designing far more than his age. Yes agreed Sir Chess prodigy require further chess journal or expert opinion but what about Child Prodigy. Do not you feel that the article of the subject has gone beyond his age in designing and inventing chess variants? I am not able to believe that official source of media of govt of India is neglected. Moreover intellectual property capital journal of govt of India is also neglected. Yes i need strong reason from Wikipedia that Why the article of Subject is not a Child Prodigy even after these references. Moreover i was discouraged for providing new/recent/reliable references My suggestion would be to take third party WIKIPEDIA Editor advice for same or send the matter for dispute resolution or invite other Wikipedia experts for same. RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 09:32, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * And this is exactly why you should not be anywhere near this article. "It was his ability to think tangentially, use Coreldraw software and understanding of geometrical and mathematical complications that helped him achieve the feat, he said." - this is quoting you. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  09:36, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW, here is a good article on chess prodigies . What is your son's FIDE rating? -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  09:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  Kind inspection Bold and underlined.He may be just 11 years oldItalic text and suffering from a fatal genetic disorder, but it has not stopped this child prodigyItalic text from the Pink City from making a mark for himself in chess variant inventions.

Hridyeshwar Singh Bhati, who is wheelchair-bound because of the disease, has three patents for three types of circular chess boards to his name. The three boards collectively make 100 chess variants.

At an age when most children do not even understand the game of chess,Italic text the Class VI student was awarded a patent for developing a 6—player circular chess in March last year. And now, he recently got two more patents for 12 and 60-player circular chess boards. Moreover these references may not be sufficient to prove him chess prodigy..Even proving Child prodigy might be disputed between us. But do not you feel these references are very important not only for me but for the article. Any article or subject of Wikipedia becomes more credible due to reliable and relevant references. It must be encouraged Sir. Sorry for every thing if you felt bad sir RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 09:56, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  OK Sir Give me one single reason why this article is there on Wikipedia. The article is not having FIDE rating nor he is having anything beyond his age to accept him as child prodigy according to you sir. Moreover according to you sir the subject is not important in India. What is the reason that this article was accepted, exists if you feel article is not a child prodigy. Respected Sir according to me the subject of the article is a Disability prodigy, Muscle prodigy, Child prodigy, Inspirational kid prodigy and if the subject of the article is neither of them...In that case it puts question mark over why the subject of the article exists on Wikipedia. RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 10:06, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The only reason why the subject has an article is because he meets our general notability guideline: "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article or stand-alone list." That's it. That's all. If a child with no disability built a better mousetrap and it was covered by the NY Times, BBC, Le Monde, etc., she would get an article too. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  10:39, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir :  Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  According to you if a Child with no disability built a better mouse trap and if covered by New York Times etc They will get an article on WIKIPEDIA But on other side the father of the existing subject of the article is giving you notable and reliable references, which are not even accepted. Do not u feel that The Hindu, PTI, India intellectual property journal of govt of India are notable, reliable and non redundant references. Yes i did not expect appreciation for providing references for latest developments but i did not expect discouraging me for providing them. Moreover i was suggesting my points on Talk page Sir RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 11:25, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * They are redundant references. Every sentence in the article is already referenced. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  11:29, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Note if you want to replace an existing reference with a better one I am certainly open to that. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  11:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir they are not redundant: Let me argue about first reference which was as followed http://htsyndication.com/htsportal/article?arid=%221459028%22&pub=%22Indian+Government+News%22 I request you sir to match any line of this reference with the existing reference if it matches even 25% of a line of existing references I Quit. Moreover just put any line of this reference on Google search, if it matches even more than 25% I Quit and will say sorry to you sir. Moreover Sir this was the first reference from Intellectual Property of India related with government of India Sir. Sir this is not a redundant reference but is a very notable, relevant, reliable reference. Now i will reply for other references also, if required sir RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 11:45, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but you clearly don't understand the purposes of references on Wikipedia. There's nothing more I can do here. -- Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  11:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sirs :Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 , Ihardlythinkso (talk) ,  Neil N   <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  Please add the following reference as it is having different heading. If you feel it is redundant due to same content then please remove reference number 12. But i believe it should be added but if you feel other wise please replace it with reference 12. http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-in-school/wheelchairbound-chess-prodigy-invents-new-variant/article5132145.ece

RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 05:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sirs :Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 , Ihardlythinkso (talk) ,   Neil N   <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  Please add the following references or Please guide me why the following references are redundant? I feel these references are not redundant.

http://epaper.patrika.com/c/1641920

http://htsyndication.com/htsportal/article?arid=%221459028%22&pub=%22Indian+Government+News%22

RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 05:22, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I think "Please add the following reference as it is having different heading. If you feel it is redundant due to same content..." says it all. As Sarower Sigh Bhati either has competence problems or is unwilling to follow our policies due to his massive WP:COI I recommend we waste no more time explaining things to him. -- Neil N   <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  05:32, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sirs :Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 , Ihardlythinkso (talk) ,   Neil N   <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  This is not incompetence but giving respect in language. Modesty is necessary but not a sufficient condition for competence. For your kind information this is not a reply but dictating terms Sir This is really torture, discouraging people to contribute to Wikipedia. Never forget WIKIPEDIA the basic rule of any environment is Be Polite Do not attack personally It is written in ethics of Wikipedia. Moreover delete or keep the article is upto you Sirs but for god sake stop the practice of degrading people. RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 05:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Your personal accusations are false and hypocritical. I think you should be blocked for making them. There will be no further communication or attempts to help you from this editor. Sincere and good luck. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 10:10, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sirs :Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 , Ihardlythinkso (talk) ,   Neil N   <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  As far as Competence is considered Reference 2 and Reference 3 are having same " Title/Heading with different content by different media sources are in valid reliable resources. Now "the resources with different media sources with different title headings having same content" as redundant is doubtful so i suggested. What is the blunder i did to give me a tag of Incompetence. Is this modesty Is this guiding people. Height of knowledge is also to be " Be Modest" Sirs Instead of replying to technical points, is it fair to abuse/degrade the father of the subject of article. But for your kind information this is degrading subject also. RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 05:58, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sirs :Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 , Ihardlythinkso (talk) ,   Neil N   <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  Moreover i used the word Add/Replace That also speaks something!? Isn't it? I appeal to competent people to reply to the suggestions. Instead of replying if we degrade some one personally then it proves invalid reply. Technical questions should be answered technically Sirs. Moreover  Neil N  <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  Sir himself mentioned "Note if you want to replace an existing reference with a better one I am certainly open to that." This is the way he should be open to reciprocation or response. I simply replied to his statement only and in reply i got torture, Incompetence tag, Wasting time etc. These are not replies but dictating terms Sirs. You have not replied technically to queries/questions but only discouraged or degraded the father of the subject. The greatest competence is " Being Polite", which is written on Wikipedia Sirs. RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 06:23, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I said better source. A source with the same content but different article title is not a better source. I strongly recommend you stop posting for at least a week or if you refuse to do that, please stop mentioning my name. I am done with this particular section. -- Neil N   <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  06:34, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sirs Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水 , Ihardlythinkso (talk) ,   Neil N   <sup style="font-family:Calibri;"> talk to me  This is a better resource as " The Hindu" is a very reliable resource in India, and it was covered at National level. Former reason might be a judgement but the later reason is a fact. Please replace it or give me reason sir why it is not better than existing one. Moreover Sir even i am done with the subject. I am also bound to go to dispute resolution as last resort. As far as naming is concerned i reply to respected Wikipedia editors related with it. I hope that is not incompetence, if so please guide me for same. RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 06:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Appeal from father of the Subject of the article:: If Wikipedia is not convinced about this article : Please delete it immediately.
Respected Wikipedia fraternity and Respected editors of Wikipedia: I am the father of a disabled kid with only brain and fingers intact left in the body, fighting against death, and who happens to be the subject of your article. I beg all the members of awesome, noble fraternity to go for proper analysis about worth of the article as per Wikipedia policy. If after analysis the Wikipedia team is not convinced about the article, in that case please delete the article immediately. But if they are convinced that article should be in Wikipedia, then i beg you all to please make sure to stop degrading the article of the subject again and again. As a father i am being discouraged to give references, suggestions at talk page. Yes every father will feel pride for the article of the son on Wikipedia. But if some Wikipedia people realize us that the subject is burden to Wikipedia then it is not pride but sufferings. RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 10:53, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * The article meets WP:GNG so there is no basis for removal nor has any editor suggested delete, so what are you talking about? There has been no assertion that Bhati plays chess competitively at a high level or even at all, so phrase "chess prodigy" has no meaning or application in the context of this article. Any other type prodigy requires definition (i.e. a prodigy in what?) and supporting reliable sourcing (WP:RS) independent of the subject. The article contained excessive citations (WP:OVERCITE) and User:NeilN has done some appropriate and much-needed pruning. The source about India Government Intellectual Property Rights states that an application was published and no more. The accusations you have wielded and continue to wield that editors here have been degrading to the article or the article subject are as offensive as they are baseless. (What is it you want that you are dissatisfied with? Be specific, and no more emotional and insulting outbursts please.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 11:40, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Child Prodigy Creativity makes sense and it is itself proved by his work and lot of references respected sir Ihardlythinkso (talk) RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 11:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Please take a look at article List of child prodigies. The lead says "specific fields". I do not see "Creativity" listed as a field in this article. (So what are you suggesting? That "Creativity" be added as a new field of specialization in that article? If not, what field in that article do you feel Bhati fits in? Also, can you name one other example of a child prodigy in field "Creativity"?) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 12:19, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Sir Ihardlythinkso (talk) To be specific the article of the subject is on Wikipedia as the subject meets WP:GNG. Now the question arises why the subject meets WP:GNG ? The reasons are the works/inventions by the subject, supported by notable, reliable, references. Moreover the Work/Inventions of the subject are far more than his age. That proves him to be a Child Prodigy. If the subject is notable for his notable work then it proves the creativity. The article of the subject can be Child prodigy of Creativity. Respected Sir, if the subject is not a child prodigy then how the subject is notable or meets WP:GNG Moreover why the father of the subject is discouraged to give references/suggestions etc Respected Sir Yes Creativity can be added in the list if possible. If it is not possible then sir please find some way out to sort it out. RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 12:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Now the question arises why the subject meets WP:GNG? User:NeilN already answered you on that question.
 * if the subject is not a child prodigy then how the subject is notable or meets WP:GNG -- That makes no sense. GNG does not require prodigy status.
 * The article of the subject can be Child prodigy of Creativity. You appear to be fashioning your own new category or definition of field not found in List of child prodigies, which has many fields represented. That is WP:OR.
 * why the father of the subject is discouraged to give references/suggestions etc. No one has discouraged you giving reference suggestions. Just excessive and duplicative references. If you have an improved reference, then suggest it or add it, to replace a less-good reference. Your "discouraged to give suggestions etc" is vague and I cannot respond to it. I asked you to be specific with your dissatisfaction(s), you are instead being vague again.
 * Creativity can be added in the list if possible. If it is not possible then sir please find some way out to sort it out. You want me to add or lobby to add "Creativity" as a new field in List of child prodigies article?! That assumes I think it should be added. But I don't. Apparently you do. So it is up to you to advocate at Talk:List of child prodigies to add the field "Creativity" -- not me. You are welcome to go there and try and see how the editors there respond to your suggestion. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 13:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
 * To add some clarification on a couple of points here: firstly, WP:GNG - if you haven't read it - requires only that an article subject has received coverage in reliable sources. Bhati meets the general notability guidelines because he has been written about in a number of reliably published news sources - that is the only reason we have an article about him. His creations, intellectual ability, physical disability etc. have no bearing whatsoever on his suitability for a Wikipedia article; the only factor Wikipedia cares about is whether or not he has been discussed or written about in some sort of reliable media source. Since Bhati has, he is a valid subject for an article.
 * Secondly, he is not a child prodigy, by any definition of the term in English. A child prodigy is a child who performs at the highest adult level in an advanced and demanding field of endeavour. Writing a PhD level paper on particle physics at the age of twelve, composing a complex full-length symphony at the age of ten, or outplaying a chess grandmaster whilst still in one's teens - these are the marks of a genuine prodigy. Inventing a board game doesn't make the cut; most kids invent board games of one sort or another during their childhood. Getting a patent on it is an impressive feat, but patenting something is not a particularly demanding exercise, requiring merely patience and a reasonably original idea. Unless it can be demonstrated that Bhati is indeed performing at an advanced adult level in some field, we will not be using the appellation "child prodigy" to describe him - I mean no disrespect to your son, but he simply doesn't merit that title. Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  13:24, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Respected Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  Sir, Firstly According to you "the only factor Wikipedia cares about is whether or not he has been discussed or written about in some sort of reliable media source. Since Bhati has, he is a valid subject for an article". Those same reliable resources quoted him as Child prodigy, that too in Title/Heading of the news, at National level as well as Global level. Please Check references. It is very difficult to understand that one side the subject exists due to only one factor that is reliable media resources but other side of it their Heading/Title is even considered to be feel good factor or unreliable, as the heading/title clearly mentioned the subject as Child prodigy many times!?

Moreover the subject of the article is a Child prodigy as he performs at the highest adult level in following advanced and demanding fields of endeavor 1. Designing 2. Creativity 3. Mathematical, Geometrical and Computer application for designing and inventing Chess Variants 4. Tangential Thinking 5. Mobility Solution provider to himself and disabled

Designing/Inventing ramp system for power wheel chair accessible mobility vehicle in such a manner so that the complete mobility vehicle along with ramp system costs only 4 lacs (His own mobility vehicle is his creations), which is very useful for masses especially disabled, elders, wheel chair users. Further the same was also discussed in reliable media resources. I will Quit claim of child prodigy if any one can find a power wheel chair accessible vehicle in world with ramp modification for just 4 lac rupees. As an evidence i am ready to send you the photographs, video, price etc of the power wheel chair accessible mobility vehicle designed by the subject for his own usage. Please go through all your resources to find the same. The subject told the same to Media after having the power wheel chair accessible vehicle in his parking. Designing/ Inventing Chess Variants requires tangential thinking, creativity, designing skills, Mathematical, Geometrical and Computer application for designing and inventing Chess Variants, High command on Corel draw as the chess variants are having very complicated design. I appeal to all of you to please analyze the above points in a rational manner.

This is really unfortunate that the subject of the article is facing injustice on Wikipedia. I am sure and I mean it. This is not the emotional out burst of the father. Father of the subject of article had already seen subject of article, flying at global level, emerging as latest global inspiration, making country proud, list goes on. If Wikipedia is not convinced of the notability, credibility and reliability of the subject of the article and they are bearing the burden of keeping this article just because of the only factor " Reliable Media Resources" then please delete the article.

'''Finally there should be consistency in decision making. "Reliable media resources" was considered the only factor in accepting the article on Wikipedia then why there Heading/Title of News is not reliable as far as Child prodigy is considered. No use of stretching it further Sir. I am the father of the subject of the article and it is my duty to inform about subject as and when i feel. May be i might not be expert as an editor but i know a lot about subject.I appeal to Wikipedia fraternity to please be consistent and justified as far as " Reliable media resources" and "Child prodigy" is concerned.''' ''' Last but not the least if Wikipedia is not convinced about subject, please do not bear the burden of keeping the article on Wikipedia just because of reliable media resources. Even at this stage if Wikipedia think tank feels that the work of the subject is not deserving PLEASE DELETE IT WITH IMMEDIATE EFFECT'''

RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 04:43, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Good Bye to Wikipedia forever : Father of the subject of the article : No more stamina left to get insulted by few editors or to bear degrading of the subject of the article.
Respected All the members of awesome Wikipedia fraternity. I guarantee that neither me nor the subject will ever suggest anything on talk page of the article. We will never LOG IN to Wikipedia. God Bless All of you. Best Wishes. I am really afraid to visit Wikipedia or to give suggestion at talk page of the article as most of the times it results in either insult of me or degradation of the subject of the article. I have expressed myself in mine last words on " Dispute resolution board". Please forget us Sirs and forgive both of us for anything you people feel was not right. But honestly i am very sure that i was always pure at my intentions. God bless all the people including subject, my son, all people who worked hard for this article. I have guts and inner conscience to say sorry from core of my heart, even to those who insulted me and degraded subject of the article (like respected Sirs Yunshui, Ihardlythinkso, NeilN Sirs). Though i am very sure i never tried to attack them personally and i was always polite to them. Still i am sorry to all of you if ever i hurt any one of you unintentionally. Best Wishes to all of you. God Bless all of you. Good Bye forever. I will cherish a few good things and hard work done by all of you for this article. I will never ever remember insults degradation etc RegardsSarower Sigh Bhati (talk) 12:37, 19 September 2013 (UTC)