Talk:Hu Shih

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Adding more information to article
Hi everyone, I have start adding some more information about Hu Shih 1.	Hu Shih with Zhang Shizhao 2.	More information about Hu Shih with John Dewey 3.	Hu Shih with May Fourth Movement 4.	Hu shih with Lu Xun 5.	Hu Shih with Intellectual Choice in Modern China All right, I have done my changes on this page. You are welcome if you find any errors on my changes. Thanks to Arjayay for helping me know the proper way to link. Yc19990311 (talk) 05:34, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Improving this article
Hello, to anyone interested, I'm going to start trying to improve this article. Some orders of business include: removing the "Example Work" section, adding a photograph of Hu, etc. Regarding a photo, I've found what I think is a very good portrait of him, however I am as of yet unable to find its copyright status. It is at: and is owned by The Division of Rare and Manuscript Collections, Cornell University Library. TheSlowLife (talk) 00:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hu Shi vs. Hu Shih
Something to think about: Hu Shi is the proper Hanyu Pinyin but when Hu was in the USA he went by Hu Shih. So he seems to have chosen Hu Shih to represent his name in the English language. TheSlowLife (talk) 01:07, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Though Hu Shi is his name spelled in Hanyu Pinyin, we should go with the established spelling that he went by. Just as we write Chiang Kai-shek but not Jiang Jieshi; Chow Yun Fat and not Zhou Runfa; Lee Teng-hui and not Li Denghui. 61.224.43.221 (talk) 09:58, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've moved it over. Thanks for the input! I wouldn't have done it otherwise. TheSlowLife (talk) 16:21, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Sample work
Here's the "Sample work" I removed from the main article. I don't think it's important, but a reference to a website that contains this could be useful. Since this is also in the history, if someone would rather have this deleted from the talk page, feel free.


 * "Don't You Forget"
 * (English translation of a poem by Hu, published in New Youth magazine, China 1915-1926, vol.5 no.3.)


 * My son,
 * I have taught you to love this country for twenty years,
 * But how can one love such a country!


 * Don't you forget:
 * It's our country's soldiers,
 * That made your Aunt suicide in shame,
 * And did the same to Ah Hsing,
 * And to your wife,
 * And shot Kao Sheng to death!


 * Don't you forget:
 * Who cut off your finger,
 * Who beat your father to a mess like this!
 * Who burned this village?
 * Oh, no! The fire is coming!
 * Go, for your own sake! Don't die with me!
 * Wait!


 * Don't you forget:
 * Your dying father only wished this country occupied,
 * By the Cossacks,
 * Or the Prussians,
 * Anyone!
 * Any life ever worse than -- this !?


 * Original poem: "你莫忘記/你莫忘记"


 * 我的兒/我的儿
 * 我二十年教你愛國/我二十年教你爱国，
 * 這國如何愛得/这国如何爱得！


 * 你莫忘記/你莫忘记：
 * 這是我們國家的大兵/这是我们国家的大兵，
 * 逼死了你三姨/逼死了你三姨，
 * 逼死了阿馨/逼死了阿馨，
 * 逼死了你妻子/逼死了你妻子，
 * 槍斃了高昇/枪毙了高升！


 * 你莫忘記/你莫忘记：
 * 是誰砍掉了你的手指/是谁砍掉了你的手指，
 * 是誰把你的老子打成了這個樣子/是谁把你的老子打成了这个样子！
 * 是誰燒了這一村/是谁烧了这一村，
 * 哎喲！火就要燒到這裡了/哎呦！火就要烧到这里了，
 * 你跑罷！莫要同我一起死！/你跑吧！莫要同我一起死！
 * 回來！/回來！


 * 你莫忘記/你莫忘记：
 * 你老子臨死時只指望快快亡國/你老子临死时只指望快快亡国：
 * 亡給『哥薩克』/亡给『哥萨克』，
 * 亡給『普魯士』/亡给『普鲁士』
 * 都可以/都可以
 * 人總該不至——如此！/人总该不至——如此！


 * I agree this excerpt was too long. It would fit better in wikiquote. In the article, I added a smaller except (2 stanzas) to illustrate his vernacular poetry and writing rules. GiuseppeMassimo (talk) 16:58, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Hu Shih vs. Hu Shi again
The article is titled Hu Shih, but a contributor went through and changed all spellings to Hu Shi, making the text of the article inconsistent with its title. A complete change of spelling must go with a change in title. Please discuss this change on the talk page before you do it. Also note that most of the English language references use the spelling Hu Shih. These cannot be changed! The spelling Hu Shih is a publication fact, and cannot be subjected to post facto removal. Rgr09 (talk) 22:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Pragmatism
Hu Shih himself translated [pragmatism] into Chinese as simplified Chinese: 实验主义; traditional Chinese: 實驗主義; pinyin: shíyànzhǔyì ... The second translation as simplified Chinese: 实用主义; traditional Chinese: 實用主義; pinyin: shíyòngzhǔyì was crafted long after pragmatism became popular ...

Sorry but I don't see any difference in the Chines characters here. --Zenwort 09:30, 15 December 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zenwort (talk • contribs)

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Major Change on Hu's Philosophy and Political Views
Hello all,

I just added a huge section about Hu's philosophical and political thoughts. The previous section on Pragmatism has emerged into the new philosophy section.

Notice that many of the references are in Chinese.

If you have any suggestions please contact me.

Bestm 白霞罸 (talk) 04:28, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Hu's Studies on Commentary on the Water Classic(水經注), Zen(禪宗), and Classical Chinese Literature
Recommend add more content on Hu's studies on Chinese classical literature, including his 中國章回小說考證, which is influencial in the history of Chinese classics studies. Hu also dedicated to Zen, a school of Mahayana Buddhism during his stay in Paris, London, and wrote a book The History of Chinese Zen(中國禪宗史). He also wrote about 100 commentaries on "Commentary on the Water Classic"(水經注) a comprehensive work of ancient Chinese geography. These information provides different prospectives of Hu's interests and the depth of his studies.

Minor change in introduction
Hello everyone, I have just made some minor change in the article, I have stated more clear that the Chinese writing of Hu Shih's name in both simplified Chinese and tradition Chinese writing. Also, I have said that Hu Shih was also a famous thinker in old China. Hope that helpful.Yc19990311 (talk) 04:10, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

Hu Shih vs. Zhang
I cleaned up the wording but the content is unclear. What is meant by “falling back in time”? Does it mean to fall behind? And if only dead people can maintain their reputations, then maybe falling behind the current trends is not a big problem; maybe it is an asset. If you know what the dispute with Zhang was actually about, please fix this poorly written section. Quchangsha (talk) 22:05, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

The May Fourth Movement
As a new editor, I didn't want to do too much to the substance of this section; I think it has a lot of fundamental issues, namely a lack of objectivity and missing sources and hyperlinks to other relevant articles. It also doesn't include much detail about what the movement actually entailed. But these issues are out of my depth. However, I did take it upon myself to edit for grammar and clarity, cleaning up sentence fragments and filling in some gaps in the original author's intention with my (admittedly limited) knowledge of Hu Shih's life. Seeing as it isn't already a source, someone with more familiarity with site guidelines might consider citing Reminiscences of Hu Shih: Oral History, 1958. Having looked over it myself for a class, it seems to provide a lot of support, particularly for statements in this section about Hu Shih's perspective of it. I know I haven't fixed the section entirely (thus, the remaining template message), but I hope my grammatical rewrite sparks further discussion in the article of this aspect of Hu Shih's life and work. HelpfulStrangerCL (talk) 20:53, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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 * Bust of Hu Shih in Hu Shih Park 20061125.jpg

To add to article
Basic information to add to this article: a few words explaining exactly what "the famous Jiaxu manuscript" (甲戌本; Jiǎxū běn) is, since we don't yet have a Wikipedia article about this subject. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 02:07, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Introduction/lead section is BAD
The lead section/introduction of this article is, as of the time of writing, a slopping mess. It generally fails to produce an adequate summary of Hu Shih's life, achievements nor influence (refer to WP:LEAD). For a figure of this magnitude of importance major changes needs to made ASAP. Zinderboff 16:31, 18 December 2023 (UTC)