Talk:Hu Yan

Alternative names
User:Zanhe was right to stop by and ask for sourcing on the glosses for Hu Yan's alternative names, although it's important to gloss purely descriptive names like courtesy and posthumous names when possible. It seems like 季 and 犯 should only have their standard meanings, given that he was apparently the "younger brother" of Chong'er's mother and that his most important scene apart from the victory over Chu was his (over)dramatic apology for his "faults", but it is right that there might be other explanations, such as a transliteration out of whatever the Di were speaking. Nienhauser went ahead and translated the "uncle" bit and Theobald the "minister of works" part. Kindly add more sources for the rest when glosses or theories about them appear in the scholarship. — Llywelyn II   04:49, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

DOB & DOD
Both Baidu Baike and Baike.com (although admittedly, the latter is probably just copying the former) have Hu Yan's life as running from 715—629. Theobald has 622 but that's what the Chinese wiki has as the date of his son's death. The Chinese encyclopedias are presumably right here and Theobald mistaken, but I can't find a online that has those dates for this guy. Anyone? Found one. — Llywelyn II   01:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion
More in Liu Guanwen's book, although Google only provides snippet views. Here's what I could get
 * 狐偃刘建朝狐偃(约前715年一前629年),春秋时晋国的卿. 字子犯,公子重耳(即晋文公)的舅父,亦称舅犯(一作咎犯〉. 其父狐突,字伯行,为大戎狐氏〈今山西交城却波村人). 与晋同祖,是晋支族入主诸戎部落者. 狐偃生于大戎. 其姊(或妹)狐姬嫁于太子诡诸(晋献公)后,其父狐突"事晋为大夫",狐偃即随其父至晋都曲沃(今山西闻喜). 公子重耳少年时期便受教于狐假,赵衰等. 这几个人"实左右之,公子居则下之,动则谘焉"¹,成年以后仍是如此. 后来楚成王赞他"广而俭,文而有礼"²显然是狐赵等人耳濡百染的结果...

although perhaps searching for related names, terms, and dates could make it display the rest of the article from another computer. — Llywelyn II   01:41, 14 December 2017 (UTC)