Talk:Huang Bai

Chinese version
I put together the first draft as of this time from a perspective of profound ignorance, and from English-language sources, as I don't know much at all of Chinese. So I'll copy the current version from (autotranslation ) here (with headings demoted) in case something I take from it is in error, and so we can add annotations and discussion. Wnt (talk) 01:47, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

ctm
 * hehe, very different translation for this template than on zh. Cultural bias, anyone? RFD? Wnt (talk)
 * Well, I put it up for TFD and they speedy-deleted it. Wnt (talk) 19:06, 4 February 2010 (UTC)


 * beautiful (future) template. I'll have to steal this first ;) Wnt (talk)

黄柏为中药材，该药出于《神农本草经》，并列为上品，是中药中清热解毒药的一种. 黄柏性苦，寒，归肾、膀胱、大肠经.

黄柏是双子叶植物芸香科黄皮树（Phellodendron chinense Schneid.）或黄檗（Phellodendron amurense Rupr.）的树皮，其黄柏本属植物共有4种，并在中国有2种以及1个变种，分别为黄檗，川黄檗和秃叶黄皮树（P. chinense Schneid. var. glabriusculum Schneid.）. 前两者被作为中药的药用黄柏基源载入2005版《中国药典》，分别为通常所称的关黄柏及川黄柏，且在药典中将川黄柏简称为黄柏. 关黄柏主产于辽宁、吉林、黑龙江、河北、内蒙古等地，川黄柏主产于四川、湖北、贵州、云南、广西等地.

黄柏的采收一般在每年的3月至6月进行采收，多数是要选择10左右树龄的树皮，将其剥下. 一般树皮被剥下后，黄皮树就会死亡，所以黄柏也是属于贵重药材.

黄柏的主要成为生物碱类化合物居多，有盐酸小檗碱、盐酸巴马汀、盐酸药根碱、黄柏碱、木兰碱、掌叶防己碱等，另含有柠檬苦素类化合物，如黄柏内酯、黄柏酮等. 药材性状 黄柏一般认为是皮厚、断面色黄者为药材中的佳品.
 * 川黄柏：多呈片状，一般厚度在3至7毫米. 外表面黄棕褐色，较为平坦，有时可见横生皮孔痕以及残存的灰褐色粗皮. 川黄柏的内表面一般为暗黄棕色，有纵纹. 它的断面为深黄色，有纤维性. 川黄柏气味、味苦，且有黏性.


 * 关黄柏：一般比川黄柏略薄，厚度在2至4毫米. 外表面黄绿色，具有纵裂纹，有时外面残留栓皮而成暗灰色，且栓皮较厚. 内表面为黄绿色，断面为鲜黄色. 体轻，质硬.
 * A translation of the above two bullet points would be especially useful for Western consumers, but it's important to get it right... Wnt (talk)

功能主治 炮制 用法与用量 内服3至12克，外用适量. 脾虚者忌用.
 * 清热燥湿：可以用来治疗湿热带下、热淋等症，较黄芩、黄连来说，黄柏更突出用来治疗下焦的湿热症状，如与山药、芡实、车前子等药用的易黄汤.
 * 泻火除蒸：用于治疗湿热泻痢、黄疸，黄柏易去除大肠湿热以治泻痢；还可治愈骨蒸劳热，盗汗，遗精症状，黄柏主入肾经可以退骨蒸，用来治疗阴虚火旺，潮热盗汗、腰酸遗精等症，如黄柏与知母、地黄、山药等配伍的知柏地黄丸（《医宗金鉴》）.
 * 解毒疗疮：黄柏内外用均可以用来治疗疮疡肿毒、湿疹瘙痒.
 * 黄柏：取原药材，除去杂质，且去除粗皮，洗净，润透，切丝，干燥.
 * 盐黄柏：取黄柏丝，加入食盐水拌匀，闷润，使药材把盐水吸进，在锅中文火炒干，取出放凉.
 * 酒黄柏：取黄柏丝，加入黄酒拌匀，闷润，让酒水被药材吸进，用文火炒干，取出放凉.
 * 黄柏碳：取黄柏丝，用武火在锅中炒至表面焦黑色，内部深褐色. 喷少许清水使火星灭尽，取出晾凉.

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Possible moves
There are some possible issues that might suggest a move for this page - use of diacritics, multiple Chinese names, the apparent equivalence with a Latin term that is widely used. I have no strong preference for which name is used, so I'll put it up for discussion:


 * Huang bai, huangbai, huáng bò, huang bo, and huangbo are synonyms. (yuan bo and variants seem less commonly used so far as I can tell).  Use of Huang bo and variants has some trouble with disambiguation, but those conflicts need to be settled anyway.


 * Cortex Phellodendri or Phellodendri Cortex are commonly used as a synonym for the herbal medicine and specifically ("Cortex") mean the bark of the tree. I've limited the focus of the article so far to the bark, but it is apparent that other parts are used; I've also limited it to herbal medicine, though the bark has been used for other important things such as dyeing and preserving paper.  One of these targets is where I'm most inclined to move the article, as I think that non-root or non-medical applications might more readily be included in the articles of the two species of Phellodendron.  In a search engine contest Cortex Phellodendri wins over Phellodendri Cortex 257 to 12, but many of the articles in the scientific literature use the latter.


 * A three-way merge with Phellodendron amurense and the (currently nonexistent) Phellodendron chinense. Originally I made this article separate for two reasons: (a) to be able to focus on and detail medical applications without constraint of "how much coverage is appropriate in an article about a species"; (b) because if the two species articles both existed then all this information would have to be duplicated in both.  However, if the two species had but one article between them, then a merge would be possible.  My feeling is that there is some high-level decision to give every species its own article so this is a non-starter. Wnt (talk) 00:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Please elaborate on cleanup/confusing
I saw that you've put "cleanup" and "confusing" tags on an article I recently started. I don't really know what to do when I see vague tags like these. Could you specify what aspects of the article you'd like to see cleaned up or explained further? Note: I think it would be best to continue this discussion on the article's talk page (Talk:Huáng bǎi) Wnt (talk) 19:41, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello,

i placed the cleanup by mistake. I really placed confusing on purpose, because i could not understand the article some, but now i understand. Removed both tags! No longer needed! I have also included this discussion on the article's talk page as requested.✅-- Written by  General  Cheese  21:32, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Chinese vs English words ...
I didn't edit it myself because there are a few ways you can go, but "Heilong Jiang River" is redundant. Heilongjiang is the name of the province, it means Black Dragon River. Hei = Black, Long = Dragon, Jiang = River. So when you say "heilong jiang river" you are saying "heilong river river" which is kind of awkward. I would probably say "Heilong Jiang, the Black Dragon River, &c &c ..."

Just a suggestion tho, translating is always a trap for the unwary :)

btw, traditional medicine is mostly b.s. and if I see one more peasant sitting on the sidewalk peddling the forearm of a tiger, I'm going to do something really bad, but ..... at least this is just some tree bark. 210.22.142.82 (talk) 08:36, 24 June 2013 (UTC)