Talk:Hudson–Bergen Light Rail

04/05/06 Edit
Edited the paragraph on MOS3 and further expansion as it was inaccurate based on current information that can be found on NJ Transit's website. The information there now reflects the current situation.

Colored text
Is the coloured text really necessary? The yellow and blue text is difficult to read on a computer screen. Darkcore 05:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Is it necessary, no. Colored text had been used in previous versions of the page to describe the previous route system. The new route pattern effective February 11, 2006, uses yellow, green and turquoise on the route maps to distinguish between the three routes. While it isn't ideal for the eye (black text on a white background would provide optimal contrast), the use of text in the corresponding route colors does serve to emphasize the routes available at each individual station. Any suggestions for an alternative means to differentiate between the three routes in another manner? The station sequence boxes at the bottom of the pages for individual stations use the color coding in boxes to the left and right of the route. Take a look at any of the pages (other than the five stations on the Bayonne branch, which are incomplete for now) for an example of one possible technique. Alansohn 05:56, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I made the new map for this article, so I'm familiar with the new route pattern. We had a similar discussion regarding the Port Authority Trans-Hudson article, which also uses colours to differentiate route lines. For that article, we created different articles for each line (i.e., there would be West Side Avenue-Tonnelle Avenue (HBLR line), 22nd Street-Hoboken Terminal (HBLR line), Hoboken Terminal-Tonnelle Avenue (HBLR line) articles, and they would be linked to within the main HBLR article). This allows you to differentiate between the three routes, and people can click on the line link if they want more information about that particular line. We only used colours for the station infoboxes. Darkcore 13:50, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * It would certainly be possible to pull out the details and create separate articles for each of the three routes. To me, the downside of that approach is that there is so much overlap between the routes and that these routes don't have to much of a separate identity. These aren't three separate spokes that intersect at a point or two, they're basically three strands of a rope that uncoils a bit at each end. Another alternative might be to put a colored box preceding and / or following the route name,and keep the route name in black. I'll think this through further, but I think that the number of stations is samll enough that we should try for now to keep the in one place, and focus on a means of presenting the data in a meaningful manner. Alansohn 15:43, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

New template for station articles to replace rail line
Hi all, just wanted to tell you that we have a NJT-specific template for using on the station articles; it's NJT rail line. If you go to the template talk page, it has very detailed instructions on how to use it. Take a look at a sample edit (for terminal stations) to see how to convert the rail line template into the NJT rail line one. lensovet 22:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought that s-rail/line was standard, why has it been changed? Geoking 66 talk 05:25, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * s-rail is newer and is meant to replace all the smaller templates like NJT line. I don't know if the necessary preparation work has been done for the NJT system yet.  --CComMack (t–c) 19:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * S-rail and S-line are in use on NJT commuter lines. I've tried and failed at getting s-rail and s-line to work for the HBLR, even though I've been able to get it to work on other systems. Geoking 66 talk 08:58, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. I'll be putting all of the station templates into s-line. Geoking 66 talk 00:57, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Honor System?
I don't think it's accurate to say that HBLR operates on an honor system if ticket inspectors perform random checks. Peaceduck (talk) 19:24, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Trust, but verify." A search of the New York Times finds an article that calls it "a proof of purchase system, a kind of honor system where a rider will be required to show a ticket if asked.", which more accurately reflects the reality. I will reflect it in the article. Alansohn (talk) 20:15, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

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Bike trail along Hoboken Terminal-Tonnelle Avenue section
What's with the bike trail along the Hoboken Terminal — Tonnelle Avenue segment between Second Street and Lincoln Harbor Stations? It looks like something you could add to the station articles. -User:DanTD (talk) 15:29, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

There is a path connecting to 2nd Street station discussed at Hudson–Bergen Light Rail which needs updating. (http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/2013/11/4m_nj_transit_walkway_nearing_completion.html) and there is a path from in Weehawken south of Lincoln Harbor near Weehawken Cove, but they are not connected. A path walkway runs north from Hoboken Terminal to 4th and then along the river to Weehawken, but not parallel to the HBLR.Djflem (talk) 21:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Length
Network length (transport) describes the various ways a rail line length can be counted. The HBLR article has used a route length of 21 mi to describe the total length of the miles covered by the HBLR network from terminal to terminal. Seems this is the most broadly understood. To use track length 34 mi in the opening gives another impression of the extent of the system. It is confusing since the extension to Bayonne 8th Street is a single track, making the unref'd info box 17 mi line length wrong. Djflem (talk) 05:31, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

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Jersey Avenue Station/Template issue
I wanted to flag that the link for Jersey Avenue in the map directs to a New Jersey Transit station in New Brunswick, not the HBLR station. I would change this myself, but I have absolutely zero idea how templates work. Butterboy (talk) 20:07, 22 October 2023 (UTC)