Talk:Hugh Culverhouse

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Doug Williams was not the first black starting Quarterback in the NFL. There was a QB for the Denver Broncos who was black as well as Joe Gilliam who started for the Pittsburgh Steelers in 1974. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.89.88.195 (talk) 03:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Please Provide References for All Edits
I'm going to be expanding on this article; for the time being, I'd like to ask that anybody editing this page please limit edits to small cleanup edits, and to cited material for which references are provided. As it stands, the article appears to have been written off of the top of somebody's head, and contains numerous factual errors. These include:


 * Tom McCloskey did not back out of the Buccaneer franchise due to financial problems,
 * There may have been a problem with McCloskey's pending divorce, but facts here need to be verifiable, not "reportedly",
 * The Buccaneers were not named after the Gasparilla Festival,
 * Team payroll had little to do with team success in an age before free agency, when players were tied to whichever team had drafted them,
 * Selmon was not the team's only "genuine star"; if the Bay Area were a larger media market, then David Lewis, Richard Wood, James Wilder, Jimmie Giles, Kevin House, Neal Colzie, Doug Williams, Dave Logan, Hugh Green, and Cecil Johnson would all have gotten star-level attention. These were the days before 24-hour sports networks, and players in cities where the networks were headquartered - New York and Los Angeles - got the majority of the coverage. Green was considered to be second only to Lawrence Taylor among outside linebackers, and Wilder set several NFL rushing records. And if they let so many good players leave, why didn't any of them become stars elsewhere? (Apart from Steve Young, who didn't give any indication of having star-level talent during his stints with either the Buccaneers or the L.A. Express, and who was shipped off in a coaching, not ownership, decision),
 * Passing up Tony Dorsett was only in hindsight considered to be a questionable selection, and then only because Ricky Bell took ill and died. The general consensus of the time was that Bell was the better fit for the Buccaneers, as Dorsett was not considered durable enough to run behind the makeshift Buccaneer line. Anyway, this section will be deleted, as Culverhouse did not oversee Buccaneer drafts.

If the original author had provided references, they would have done the research that would have prevented these inaccuracies from being included in the article. Overall, the article is inadequate as a biography of Culverhouse, because it exclusively focuses on his ownership of the Buccaneers. His life outside of NFL ownership was likely notable enough to warrant inclusion in Wikipedia, and it needs to be addressed. Dementia13 (talk) 19:38, 6 August 2010 (UTC)


 * You've certainly taken this article a long way, and it's pretty darn good at this point. However, it's a bit frustrating that only a very few of the new citations are linked to a source that is readable online, necessitating a visit to a Tampa public library to read the original articles.


 * I realize that many of these news articles are too old to be archived online, but I'm sure that more of the non-linked recent articles are available somewhere. I'll try to help as well, but as a teacher, this is a really bad time for me to take on any projects. Thanks, and great job improving this article!... Zeng8r (talk) 00:57, 12 August 2010 (UTC)


 * If you go to news.google.com and do an advanced archive search, you'll be able to find everything (correction: almost everything, I got some Washington Sun and New York Times sources from the Lexis-Nexis academic database. That's still online, but not accessible to everybody. If you have access to a university library, you should be able to access it, and they should have the Bay Area newspapers in some format or other) I've used. I almost always prefer to use print citations. Not only are they generally considered more reputable than most online sources, but when you deal with matters of the age of what's in the article, you find that a lot of legends have grown up around them that aren't necessarily true. Then, because they're so well-known, writers include them in more recent articles without verifying them. As an example, every article about John McKay in the last 20 years mentions that he once said "I'm in favor of it" when asked about his 1976 offense's execution, but of the hundreds of articles I've read from 1976, not one ever mentions that he said that, and some who were close to him believe that it never happened. (Any "fact" that can be prefaced with "Everybody knows that.....", is exactly the "fact" that we need to mistrust, because that's when we start ignoring why we think it's true). I feel much safer going with what was written at the time, by people who were there. Thanks for the good words; I haven't got much further to go with this, but it's at the point where the last few pieces of information this article needs are ones that don't dig up very easily. Dementia13 (talk) 15:50, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Wow, thanks for the tip on the google news archive search function. I'd never used it until this evening, but I've been searching for old articles on various subjects for the last couple of hours now. Great resource, and for many uses... Zeng8r (talk) 00:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

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