Talk:Hugh Hefner/Archive 2

Occupation: Copywriter
It should be listed that he was a copywriter in the status box since that occupation experience led him to be a self made millionaire magazine publisher. Gochyooo (talk) 12:22, 30 August 2015 (UTC)
 * The infobox line is: "Occupation(s) as given in the lead." In other words, his jobs of significance and notability. The article mentions him being a copywriter which is enough.-- &#9790;Loriendrew&#9789;  &#9743;(ring-ring)  14:11, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

Marriage
''Hefner married Northwestern University student Mildred Williams in 1949. Before the wedding, Mildred confessed that she had had an affair while he was away in the Army.''
 * But he had left the army in 1946. Had they been teenage sweethearts before this? Valetude (talk) 00:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Religion
I have heard he is a Methodist. --Haruo (talk) 15:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

World War II veteran?
Does every enlisted person in the USA army count as a veteran if they never left the USA and never saw combat? Hefner enlisted as an infantry clerk. Calling him a veteran trivialises those who actually sacrificed their lives, leaving widows and orphans behind. Grandma Roses (talk) 12:31, 12 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, they can join the American Legion, but they cannot join the VFW. The definition of a Veteran is stated there. Although, sometimes the definition is not always clear. An idea of the definition of veteran from the perspective of the Department of Veterans Affairs: Under federal law, a veteran is any person who served honorably on active duty in the armed forces of the United States. Discharges marked “general and under honorable conditions” also qualify. Other qualifying events are any person who served in the active military, naval or air service of the United States and was discharged from the service due to a service-connected disability or filed a claim and was service-connected for a disability sustained while in the service. For example, a person could go into the service and injure themselves while in basic training and receive a service-connected disability rating from the VA. They would be considered a veteran no matter how long they served. Certain veterans of the Philippine Commonwealth Army identified as scouts who served between Dec. 7, 1941, and Jan. 1, 1947, are considered veterans of the United States. Members of the National Guard and Reserves may be considered veterans if they were deployed under Title 10 (Federal Orders) and complete that deployment and are issued a DD-214 (discharge) under honorable conditions. People who just serve in the National Guard and Reserve without a federal deployment are usually not eligible for veterans benefits, unless they were injured during their basic or advanced training or while on weekend drill or the two-week summer training. They must have reported the injury, filed a claim with the VA, and been rated as disabled for that injury. Other types of people considered veteran are those who served as a commissioned officer of the Public Health Service, the Environmental Science Services Administration or the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, or its predecessor the Coast and Geodetic Survey. These individuals would have a document similar to a DD-214 as proof of this service. - Kiraroshi1976 (talk) 13:07, 12 January 2016 (UTC)


 * A part of this - it says that he was a writer for a military paper while in the Army. Does anyone know which one? Was it Stars and Stripes?--Bellerophon5685 (talk) 14:02, 30 May 2016 (UTC)


 * The US Army definition of 'active duty' does not specify operational service, or 'active service', as in the British army. Valetude (talk) 04:11, 10 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Anyone who served in the military regardless of duty or assignment is a veteran. They get the same benefits and consideration as anyone else largely due to the fact that at any time they could have been reassigned to combat duty.    A "combat veteran" is someone who saw action.    If you want talk about a specific veteran and want to make a distinction between them and someone who did not see combat then simply refer to them as a combat veteran rather than simply as a veteran.   One could not correctly refer to a clerk as a combat vet if they remained stateside and worked in an office for their entire enlistment.  That said, many journalists in the military are sent to front lines to cover a war and are under fire and just as vulnerable to injury and death as the ones doing the shooting.  Personally, I would describe such a person as a combat vet even if they never fired their gun at an enemy.  It is just as dangerous and many journalists have been killed by enemy fire.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by  108.191.251.196 (talk) 16:40, 28 September 2017‎ (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2017
Died September 27 2017 Los Angeles, California 73.231.244.96 (talk) 03:37, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Sky  Warrior  03:38, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 September 2017
Hugh Hefner's official website: https://www.hughhefner.com/ Arlind.r (talk) 14:30, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. – Nihlus (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Death
I removed the quotation marks around natural causes. To emphasize it this way made it seem suspect, with the subtext being that it was actually something else or something sinister. The references provide corroboration of the cause of death and the phrase itself is not notable enough to use in a direct quotation.Siberian Husky (talk) 16:34, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

relationships
Could Hefner be described as a polygamist or polyamarous? He has regularly had plural relationships.


 * That would depend entirely on point of view. From a legal standpoint, a polygamist is a person who is or was married to more than one person at a time.  A polyamorous person is someone who is in a sexual or romantic relationship with two or more people at the same time.  Usually all partner's consent in such a case.  One usually could not be said to be in a polyamourus relationship if there are any in that relationship who do not consent.  I do not believe that Hefner had ever been married to two or more persons at the same time.  Now from the position of many religions, divorce is not valid.  Hefner was from a Methodist background.   I don't know if he maintained that affiliation through his life but if he had then they would consider his divorce(s) valid.  But if he had belonged to the Roman Catholic church, for example, then upon marriage after having been divorced, they would regard him as a bigamist or polygamist.  But that is a moot point as I don't believe he was.  I would go so far as to say he most likely was not a practicing Methodist either given his lifestyle.  So for him I believe the correct term would be polyamarous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by  108.191.251.196 (talk) 16:32, 28 September 2017‎ (UTC)
 * Unless a reliable source describes him as one or the other, we cannot describe him as either one. (As the IP points out, polygamist is a legal term, not a term for someone who engages in a number of simultaneous sexual and/or amorous relationships not involving marriage.)  General Ization  Talk   17:16, 28 September 2017 (UTC)

Add Crystal-Hugh marriage to personal life
hey how's it going everyone. could someone add the fact that Hugh actually married Crystal Harris in 2012 to the personal life section? I tried to add it by copying the sentence concerning their marriage from Crystal's article but I got struck down by the Wikipedia police because it was a daily mail source. so if anyone has any idea what source would be allowed & if they could add that information. I would love to do it myself but I can't wrap my head around the sourcing system here at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Romeowth (talk • contribs) 15:37, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. The Daily Mail is not considered a reliable source for anything here because much of its reporting is dubious as is typical of tabloids.  I cited People magazine.  General Ization   Talk   17:26, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The marriage to Harris was actually already present in the article, but in the wrong section (under Playboy Mansion). I have consolidated the misplaced information in Personal life.  General Ization   Talk   17:46, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot!! Romeowth (talk) 04:14, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 October 2017
"During the civil rights era in 1966, Hefner sent African-American Alex Haley to interview George Lincoln Rockwell, much to Rockwell's surprise because Haley was black."

This is repetitive. Please change to "During the civil rights era in 1966, Hefner sent Alex Haley to interview George Lincoln Rockwell, much to Rockwell's surprise because Haley was African-American." 93.142.81.164 (talk) 23:23, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Sparkling Pessimist   Scream at me!  02:14, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Can we expand on the criticism section and remove the final sentence of his intro?
Hefner published nude photographs of women without their permission on more than one occassion....Marilyn Monroe, most notably. There is controversy surrounding his choice of burial, given this fact. Then there is the business with Brooke Shields' age in her Playboy appearance....This isn't on the Playboy Magazine page either, and it feels like we are running PR for Playboy not including it on one of these pages.

More criticism surrounds Hefner's life than this page would suggest. Not saying we publish every little thing, but come on guys. Lukewarmocha (talk) 16:45, 1 October 2017 (UTC)


 * I agree, if you are too busy to add the information yourself, would you mind providing sources so someone else can do it? Thanks! --&#65279;ΖαππερΝαππερ BabelAlexandria 21:33, 2 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Disagree. If anything, this section should be reduced. And how do you know if Marilyn Monroe would have even minded getting her picture taken by Hefner without her knowing? She probably would have found out later and just thought it was fun or something, I mean she was an exhibitionist who had no problem with the voyeuristic gaze of millions of people on her. So anyway, this section, if anything, needs tightening up. Alialiac (talk) 20:25, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Could use a Legacy section or something similar
By being the founder of Playboy and his role in the sexual revolution, he is a very significant cultural and historical figure. He and his work has had much influence on popular culture especially but also on high culture such as Pop Art. Therefore, it seems appropriate and reasonable to have a Legacy or at least In Popular Culture section for him. Alialiac (talk) 20:40, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Does this section belong?
It seems like the paragraph beginning with "During the civil rights era in 1966, Hefner sent Alex Haley to interview George Lincoln Rockwell" doesn't have much to do with Hugh Hefner himself. Is there a way to make Hefner more involved in this paragraph? King Judas (talk) 17:33, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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Proposal: Change the criticism section into a legacy section and improve contents to be more NPOV
I would like to propose in keeping with Wikipedia's preference for not having criticism section that it bee change to a legacy section. Then I would add some positive notable uotes/sourced comments about his legacy in addition to the criticisms currently in the section. Second, they way some of the criticisms are describe implies in some cases that the author being quoted was stating facts rather then simply opinion. Looking at the problematic quotes in the section, starting with the second quote, "Writing for The Independent, English writer Julie Bindel stated that Hefner "caused immeasurable damage by turning porn...", I was bold and decided to replace the word "stated" with argued since stated implies facts rather then opinion which this clearly is. As to the line "...Robin Abcarian wrote that Hefner 'probably did more to the mainstream exploitation of women's bodies than any other figure in American history,'...", it suffers from similar problems. They way it's currently praised implies that Hefner did do at least exploitation of women's bodies, but how much is debatable. Their are many people who would argue against that statement so I would change "wrote" to argued or claimed or just word that makes it clear his role in women's exploitation is debatable. As to the Christianity Today quote, It states that Ed Stetzer wrote "that during his lifetime, when Christie Hefner visited the Playboy Mansion, he would have the residence systematically cleaned in order 'to keep the realities from his own daughter'" What is meant by "systematically cleaned"? Most wealthy people have a maids that regularly clean the place so just exactly what was being cleaned up that would be notable in this context? Also, what his how did he know that the purpose of this cleaning was to "'to keep the realities from his own daughter'? Maybe, she was more aware of the realities then Stetzer realizes. I would change it something "in order to, as he claimed, 'keep the realities from his own daughter' or something like that. As to Stezer lamenting "the consequences of Hefner's role as a "general" of the sexual revolution:..." I would change that to "Stezer further lamented what he viewed as the negative consequences of Hefner's role as a "general" of the sexual revolution:...", making it clear that not everyone agrees that Hefner's role in the sexual revolution was necessarily negative (for that most part). If no one expresses any serious objection I will be bold and try and fix the few examples in the section I think are problematic (NPOV-wise) as I suggested above. I will also change the section title to "legacy" from "criticism" at some point soon unless someone has a good reason not too. This will allow us to add more positive views on his legacy to balance the criticisms later once we find sufficient reliable sources on the issue. --Notcharliechaplin (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Was this person a human being?
Was he? Polytope 4D (talk) 02:02, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
 * ...What? I question what the alternative would be. Novusuna talk 03:09, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

WW 2 Veteran
He was in the US Army during WW2 ,From 1944- 1946. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.104.90.225 (talk) 04:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

This should be added in
https://celebsuburb.com/meet-hugh-hefner-first-wife-millie-williams-where-is-she-now-untold-facts/ https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/hugh-hefner-dead-playboy-founder-marriage-betrayal-ladies-man-mildred-williams-millie-affair-cheating-infidelity-a7971711.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.122.248.45 (talk) 22:28, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

"As per the reports, Millie and Hugh’s marriage came to an end because of their infidelity. It was back when the couple was still unmarried and Hefner was in the Army that Millie got involved in an affair.

Out of guilt for her infidelity, she let Hefner have an extra-marital relationship even after getting married. The Hollywood Reporter covered the news years later after Millie admitted her mistake writing,

Hef’s first real heartbreak came prior to tying the knot, when Williams admitted to engaging in an affair during his time in the Army. In an attempt to lessen her guilt and save their relationship, Williams allowed the future mogul to become involved with other women during their marriage.

Later, Hefner too expressed how devastating it was to find out his wife’s affair. He stated that he had abstained from sexual relationships with any other women and had literally saved himself for his wife. He said,

I had literally saved myself for my wife, but after we had sex she told me that she’d had an affair. That was the most devastating moment in my life. My wife was more sexually experienced than I was. After that, I always felt in a sense that the other guy was in bed with us, too." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.122.248.45 (talk) 22:09, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Grammar issue
"they had A daughter NAMED Christie", not "they had daughter Christie"
 * ✅ (CC) Tb hotch ™ 03:37, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Occupation
Pornographer 68.102.37.53 (talk) 13:58, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * https://www.google.com/search?q=hugh+hefner+Pornographer&oq=hugh+hefner+Pornographer&aqs=chrome..69i57.3255j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Sources dön't recognize him as such]. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 21:13, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

missing link
Ed Stetzer (September 28, 2017). "Hugh Hefner, Mourning, and Legacies: Beyond the Pipe and the Robe". Christianity Today. Retrieved September 29, 2017.

This does not seem to work. Keith Henson (talk) 23:56, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Military service
Allegiance: United States Branch/service: U.S. Army Years of service: 1944-1946 Rank: Corporal Lardlegwarmers (talk) 09:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)