Talk:Hugh McFadyen

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I wonder if this Mcfadyen is related to the former NHL player named Don Phillip McFadyen. He played for the Chicago Shamrocks and Chicago Blackhawks, as well as serving as an NHL linesman afterwords.

Howard Pawley... extreme right part
I don't want to get into an edit war but what exactly is the relevence of this part ''Recently, He also stated that former Manitoba Premier Howard Pawley was influenced by communist thought. Pawley stated that only a extreme right-wing politician would think his government was left-wing.'' Politicians say these kinds of things all the time, that is subjective opinion of one politician, it does not deserve a place in an encyclopedia especially since he is a new leader and when you google him the first link that shows up is to this page and that particular line somehow implies that he is extreme right-wing which is not the case.


 * It was a ridiculous, over-the-top statement by a provincial party leader who could be the next Premier of Manitoba. There's no reason not to mention it.  CJCurrie 03:39, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

I concur with whomever listed the objection about the segment which quotes Howard Pawley. In fact, it seems hardly pertinant to mention this; a definite ad hominem attack. In light of the upcoming election in Manitoba it seems an awful lot like a red herring. Thus, in my view it tarnishes the credibility of the entire entry on McFadyen. This gratuitous hyperbolic statement, especially the words "extreme right wing", ought therefore to be omitted.


 * How would you describe McFadyen's description of Howard Pawley's government. CJCurrie 03:47, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Both statements are utterly irrelevant and have no place in the entry. You are the one who has chosen to maintain its inclusion. Case in point, Hugh Mcfadyen makes newspaper headlines everyday. You have abitrarily selected this headline. Howard Pawley does not make headlines everyday. Thus, I hereby argue that this short-lived political spat is far more pertinent to any reader if it is written in to Pawley's wikipedia profile; it is at this time notably absent. That said, it may simply be that you have a bone to pick with Mcfadyen and this is your outlet.

Here are the results of a google news search on the topic of Mcfadyen.

Manitoba Tories would offer free cervical cancer immunization for ... Winnipeg Sun, Canada - 2 hours ago Offering free immunization to girls to prevent cervical cancer is a “no-brainer,” says Tory leader Hugh McFadyen. McFadyen promises to launch a cervical ... Teachers denounce McFadyen’s support for expanded standards testing Winnipeg Free Press, Canada - 29 Jan 2007 ... underway for the Manitoba Teachers’ Society — the teachers’ union is denouncing Tory leader Hugh McFadyen’s support for expanded standards testing. ... WEB EXTRA: Teachers' union denounces standard testing Winnipeg Free Press, Canada - 30 Jan 2007 ... has started for the Manitoba Teachers' Society -- the teachers' union is denouncing Tory leader Hugh McFadyen's promise to expand standards testing. ... McFadyen calls for province-wide school smoking ban Winnipeg Free Press, Canada - 19 Jan 2007 Provincial Tory Leader Hugh McFadyen says the province should extend its smoking ban to include school properties right across Manitoba. ... Politicians address wildlife issues Portage Daily Graphic, Canada - 29 Jan 2007 Stan Struthers was joined by Progressive Conservative Leader Hugh McFadyen and Liberal Leader Jon Gerrard for a panel discussion at Manitoba Wildlife ... Include schools in smoking ban: Manitoba Tories CBC Manitoba, Canada - 19 Jan 2007 Manitoba's provincewide smoking ban should be extended to include all school property, Progressive Conservative Leader Hugh McFadyen said Friday. ... MARY AGNES WELCH Winnipeg Free Press, Canada - 28 Jan 2007 ... economic analysts and politicians, including Manitoba Conservative Leader Hugh McFadyen, who points to Saskatchewan's surprising economic rebound as ... Manitoba Tories Call For Total School Smoking Ban CJOB, Canada - 19 Jan 2007 Manitoba Conservative Leader Hugh McFadyen says it's time for the provincial government to step in. McFadyen wants a province-wide smoking ban applied to ... School cig ban wins applause Winnipeg Sun, Canada - 23 Jan 2007 Conservative Leader Hugh McFadyen congratulated the division for "doing the right thing," and questioned the NDP's commitment to public health ... Provincewide ban sought by Tories Winnipeg Free Press, Canada - 20 Jan 2007 Tory Leader Hugh McFadyen Friday urged the NDP to protect every kid across the province from exposure to second-hand smoke regardless of where they go to ...

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Inappropriate content - veiled POV
This article needs to be reviewed by a wider group of editors. There is a lot of material which is not relevant to an encyclopedic article, and seems to be supplied chiefly by one individual who also seems to be primarily responsible for the glowing wiki page written about Premier Doer. Of course Premier Doer has done many good things in office, but when you juxtapose Doer's wiki page with McFadyen's page it is clear that a distinct POV permeates.

A vast majority of the "sources" cited in both of these wiki pages are articles from newspapers. Extensive citation from newspapers is useless and is certainly not credible. By citing a selective group of newspaper articles anyone can create a distinctly negative or positive POV in a wiki page even though it may contain 200 citations. These tactics create a specious article and should not be tolerated in Wikipedia. Taroaldo 00:41, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * My response is as follows:


 * (i) I haven't just written articles on Doer and McFadyen; I've written articles on several figures involved in Manitoba politics.  My recent expansion of the two articles you've mentioned was part of a private project that I undertook in the recent election campaign -- I expanded Jon Gerrard's page as well, and I'd already written fairly detailed pieces on the minor party leaders.


 * (ii) I agree that extension citation from newspapers is not always ideal, but there are few other available sources for McFadyen's biography at present.  I see no reason to reject such sources as do exist out of hand.


 * (iii) Anyone can create a distinctly negative of positive POV from any source.  I'm not sure why you've chosen to cast derision on newspapers sources, in particular.


 * (iv) I would have no problem with other editors reviewing this page, but I'm not inclined to favour the wholesale deletion of relevant material that certain editors (or subjects) may find inconvient.


 * (v) This is not the first time that this page has been criticized as "POV".  Several months ago, someone argued that McFadyen's comments about "card-carrying communists in the Pawley government" were trivial and irrelevant.  I disagree, and I believe the material should stay.


 * (vi) If you have any particular concerns, please feel free to raise them.  CJCurrie 04:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Objective edits
In reviewing the entry on Hugh McFayden, it is clear from both inclusions and omissions that this was written by someone with an obvious POV. This is always a risk with political figures. I have made some additions which provide a fuller and more accurate picture, and deleted some content that is barely relevant and/or not well grounded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Historian2299 (talk • contribs) 23:13, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Could you be more specific please? Materialscientist (talk) 23:29, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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