Talk:Hugh de Neville/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Malleus Fatuorum (talk · contribs) 20:39, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Lead
 * Is it really fair to describe the events of 1216 as a French invasion, or an invasion by the French?
 * Yes, it is. Louis brought in a number of French nobles who thought to benefit from confiscated lands. One reason so many English nobles who had originally supported Louis' invasion switched back to the English side after John's death was the habit Louis had of favoring the French nobles rather than any of the English. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. it's almost an article of faith here though that the last time England was invaded was in 1066. Malleus Fatuorum 21:47, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Early life and career
 * "De Neville was an informant for the chronicler Ralph of Coggeshall's entries on Richard's activities in the Third Crusade." "Informant" is a word I associate with criminal cases, so I'm not certain exactly it means here. Did Ralph interview de Neville, or write to him?
 * We don't know what form the information took, but Ralph credits Hugh as his source for some of his information. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * "... both offices he held through 1200." What does "through 1200" mean? Until 1200?
 * Source uses "Neville also remained in office as sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire, from 1197 to 1200." which means (to me) that it included part of 1200. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * John's later reign and service under King Henry III
 * "... but the office of Chief Forester was not returned until later." Seems a bit vague: a week later, a year later, don't we know?
 * We don't know for sure when he was appointed again. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * "In 1218 de Neville was supposed to have had the forest of Rockingham returned to his custody, but William de Fors, the Count of Aumale, refused to return it to de Neville.[25] It was not until 1220 that de Neville managed to recover his custody of Rockingham forest." Why was he supposed to have had the custody of the forest returned to him, did the king say so?
 * King awarded him the custody but de Fors did not surrender it. Keep in mind that royal authority was still shaky in this period due to John's abuses and the problems of Louis' invasion and the minority of Henry III. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * "He also was named Sheriff of Lincolnshire for the year of 1227." I'm not quite sure what that means; was he appointed for just a year, or did he hold the office for only a year?
 * Just one year on this office. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Death and legacy
 * "De Neville also had a daughter named Joan." An illegitimate daughter?
 * Not specified. Source states "Neville had another son, Henry, who predeceased him in 1218, and at least one daughter, Joan." ... Since Neville had two wives... I'm not sure if the daughter was from either wife or from something else (although if she was illigitmate, usually the source says...) Ealdgyth - Talk 17:15, 7 May 2012 (UTC)