Talk:Hugh of Saint Victor

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Requested move
I suggested this move originally as uncontroversial because I consider either "St Victor" or "St. Victor" to be controversial, whereas "Saint Victor" is undeniably correct (as is "Saint-Victor"). User:Anthony Appleyard disagreed, saying it was better to decide on St./St preference rather than use the rarest form (Saint). However, according to Google, "Abbey of Saint Victor" is more common than either abbreviated form. Since it is not possible to get a Wikipedia-wide consensus for one form of abbreviation over the other in a short time, I think it best that we just move it to the uncontroversial form of his name, even if it is not necessarily the most "common", since the common forms are open to allegations of bad form and error. Srnec (talk) 16:11, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In the first four books I pulled off my shelves, I found all four versions:
 * Wetherbee, ed., A History of Twelfth-Century Western Philosophy: Saint-Victor
 * Marenbon, Early Medieval Philosophy: St Victor
 * Coppleston, A History of Philosophy, vol. 2: St. Victor
 * Gilson, History of Christian Philosophy in the Middle Ages: Saint Victor
 * Frankly, I don't see any compelling reason for preferring one over any other. As long as all are covered by redirects, the current title seems as good as any other, though I would like to see the boldface form of the name in the article's first sentence match the title. Deor (talk) 18:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I already moved Richard of Saint Victor and Adam of Saint Victor in anticipation of this move being uncontroversial, only to be informed that it was not, though I failed to see why it wouldn't be. Srnec (talk) 20:02, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's OK, too. The title for Hugh should parallel those for Adam and Richard, so I see no problem with "Saint Victor" here. Deor (talk) 12:00, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As long as there are redirects, sure. Hugh of St. Victor is the actual common form, though. — Llywelyn II   11:54, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

Year of birth
I have today (15 Oct 2010) reverted his date of birth from c. 1078 to c. 1096. This reverses an earlier change from 1096 to c. 1078 made on 18 Sep 2009 by []. Perhaps this earlier edit was correct, but I am suspicious as it was the user's only edit and it contradicts other on-line sources e.g. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07521c.htm; http://www.medievalchurch.org.uk/p_hugh.php. If the date of birth really should be 1078 then please reinstate this and provide a reference for the date. Felix116 (talk) 09:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion
Obviously, the refs for this thing are a mess. Most are just badly formatted and occasionally misspelled or mistyped duplicate repetitions of repeated mention of the editions listed in the #Works section. They should eventually just be given as sfnps pointing back at the main entry.

The "Further reading" was a similarly unalphabetized and poorly formatted uncurated laundry list:
 * Acton Institute (1992) "In the Liberal Tradition: Hugh of St Victor (1096–1141)". Religion and Liberty, 2:1 (Jan.–Feb., 1992)
 * Coolman, Boyd Taylor. (2010) The Theology of Hugh of St. Victor: An Interpretation. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press
 * Evans, G. R. (2002) Fifty Key Medieval Thinkers. London: Routledge.
 * Harkins, Franklin T, Reading and the Work of Restoration: History and Scripture in the Theology of Hugh of St Victor, (Brepols, 2009)
 * Illich, Ivan (1993) In the Vineyard of the Text: a Commentary to Hugh's Didascalicon. Chicago: University of Chicago Press
 * Moore, R. (1998) Jews and Christians in the Life and Thought of Hugh of St. Victor. USF
 * Rorem, Paul (2009). Hugh of Saint Victor. Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press.
 * Rudolph, Conrad, "First, I Find the Center Point": Reading the Text of Hugh of Saint Victor's The Mystic Ark (2004)
 * Rudolph, Conrad. The Mystic Ark: Hugh of Saint Victor, Art, and Thought in the Twelfth Century ( 2014)
 * Sicard, P. (2015) Iter Victorinum. La tradition manuscrite des œuvres de Hugues et de Richard de Saint-Victor. Répertoire complémentaire et études (Bibliotheca Victorina 24), Turnhout: Brepols Publishers, 2015 (ISBN 978-2-503-55492-1)
 * Wilson, R. M., ed. (1938) Sawles Warde: an early Middle English homily; edited from the Bodley, Royal and Cotton MSS. Leeds: University of Leeds, School of English Language

It's better if these were just restored to the article as they're used to source points in it. If the list needs to be restored, kindly fix the formatting and make some note about what the actual benefit or point of listing these in the article is, vs. people just googling "Hugh of St Victor" and clicking the "Books" tab. They can do that already without a random list of random titles here. — Llywelyn II   11:58, 25 May 2024 (UTC)