Talk:Hughes Hall, Cambridge

I'm creating the cats ready to roll as needed, to ensure uniformity with other colleges. Please move these links to the article page as they become useful. Ta, JackyR | Talk 19:14, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
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HH isn't strictly a graduate-only college, it accepts mature undergrads (http://www.hughes.cam.ac.uk/admissions/)

That's right, I am am graduate student here, and there are four or five undergrads per year. I'm not sure why this is. Does anyone know? - DM User:Davidmillbury —Preceding comment was added at 17:23, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hughes Hall - Graduate or Mature College?

There has been some differing opinion on whether HH should be called a graduate or mature college. My preference is that the current status (graduate) is preferable for the following reasons:

1) The University refers to HH as a graduate college: http://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/univ/gsprospectus/colleges/ http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/undergraduate/colleges/hugheshall/index.html

2) Most HH students that are classed as undergraduates are actually affiliated (i.e. this is their second undergraduate degree). Although some students are true undergraduates this amounts to only a handful each year.

3) Historically HH has accepted only graduates and has only recently accepted undergraduates.

4) The fact that Hughes accepts mature students is already mentioned in the article.

--193.60.81.155 (talk) 12:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I vote for the more accurate description of Hughes Hall being a College for mature students.

"Graduate Student" in the University refers to a student who is reading for a graduate degree (Master's or PhD). Having an undergraduate degree and reading for a second undergraduate degree or a PGCE or diploma does not make one a Gradute Student.

However, I have to concede that the University literature does sometimes define a graduate college as one that either admits only graduates (Clare Hall and Dar) or mainly mature undergrads (HH, LC, Wolfson, St Edmund's).

Given the University's definition of "Graduate Student", I personally think that the University literature should restrict the meaning of the term "graduate college" to Clare Hall and Darwin.

But since the University sometimes calls HH a graduate college, I guess I cant really object to this wikipedia entry doing so too, so I wont make any further edits on this point. But I sill argue that the phrase "oldest College for mature students" is far more accurate.

I'm also not entirely comfortable with the claim here that HH is the "oldest" graduate college. Again, this has a misleading tone. In one sense it is the oldest (in the sense that it there was a body called HH before Clare Hall, LC, and Wolfson, though I wonder about St Ed as HH was only called HH from 1949 when it was adopted into the University - I think St Ed's name predates HH). However, in another sense - the more important "legal" sense - HH is actually the youngest "graduate" college, since it only became an Approved Foundation in 1985 and only became an actual or "full" college two years ago. This is reflected in the graduation order. At graduation, graduands are presented by college, and the Colleges proceed "in order of foundation or recognition by the University". Hughes Hall is the penultimate College to present its graduands, the last College to present its graduands being Homerton.

But again I'm not going to make a fuss over this. I just think that given the choice between wording things technically true but liable to mislead, and wording things so as to avoid any possibility of the reader being mislead, we should go for the latter, especially for encyclopedia material. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.44.91 (talk) 14:52, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

I think the compromise of "College for graduate and mature students" sounds fair and clear to me. --193.60.81.155 (talk) 15:12, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Settled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.140.44.91 (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

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