Talk:Hugo O. Engelmann

Parents
How did Engelmann's parents survive WWII? An interesting example of a similar instance can be read in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Klemperer

Grant Park 23:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

List of articles removed
I removed the following list of articles. These kinds of very long lists are not acceptable in Wikipedia biographical articles. The articles that matter are already mentioned in teh reference section -- Mdd (talk) 23:43, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Articles

 * 1957: "A Systemic Dynnamic Approach to Social Theory," in: Essays in Social Theory and Social Organization. (1967): 15-52
 * 1957: "A Highly Significant Book," A review of Thomas Kuhn's The Copernican Revolution in: The Journal of Higher Education, Vol. 28, No. 9 (Dec): 514
 * 1960: "The Activity Bias of Ethnography and the History of Society," in: Anthropological Quarterly. Vol. 33. No. 3, July: 158-163.
 * 1962: "The European Empire: From Charlemagne to the Common Market," in: Social Forces. Vol 40, No. 4. May: 297-301
 * 1962: "Class Succession and the Coming Struggle for Power," in: The American Journal of Economics and Sociology. 214, October: 347-358
 * 1962: "Social Psychological Issues in the Theory of Social Organization," in:The Sociological Quarterly.  Vol 3, No. 4 (Oct): 286-295
 * 1967: "Population Expansion and the Social System," in: Indian Sociological Bulletin. 51, October: 21-38
 * 1967: "Communication to the Editor," a curious mathematical property, in: American Sociologist. Vol. 2 Number 4: 217
 * 1967: with Kirby Throckmorton, "Interaction frequency and crime rates," in: The Wisconsin Sociologist. Vol. 5; Winter 1966-Spring 1967, 1-2
 * 1968: "Population Size and Social Organization," in: The Cornell Journal of Social Relations. 32; Fall: 1-6
 * 1968, “The problem of dialect in the American school,” Journal of Human Relations. Vol. 16, No. 4: 524-531
 * 1969: with Richard Wanner, “Population size and industrial technology,” The American Journal of Economics and Sociology. Vol. 28, No. 3: 249-256
 * 1969: “Melody space analysis: a technique for comparative cultural study,” Indian Sociological Bulletin. Vol VII No. 1
 * 1970: “Sorokin and the Sociology of Knowledge,” in G.C. Hallen and Rajeshwar Prasad (eds.) Sorokin and Sociology, Agra Satish Book Enterprise;
 * 1970: “The Demise of American Cities and the Burgeoning of Urban Studies,” International Review of History and Political Science. 73; August: 1-8;
 * 1970: “General systems theory --structuralist or dynamic? A comment on Hornback's summary.” NIU. probably in Heuristics.
 * 1971: “Twentieth century man and God: an historic perspective,” International Journal of Contemporary Sociology. Jan, Vol 8, No. 1
 * 1971: "Juris Veidemanis 1923-1971," American Sociologist. Aug, Vol 6, Issue 3:267-268
 * 1972: “The Quasi-system of World Society A Systemic Dynamic Analysis,”(Paper, AAAS Washington Meeting, Dec. 26-31
 * 1975: with John H. Engelmann, “Interaction frequency and behavior in the chemical laboratory,” Wisconsin Sociologist. Vol. 12 (Fall): 107-121
 * 1977: with John H. Engelmann, “Case Law, Statute Law, and the Nature of Institutions,” International Behavior Scientist. 92, June: 1-21
 * 1977: “Interaction Analysis and Community Typology,” International Journal of Contemporary Sociology. 141&2; June & April: 1-10
 * 1977: “Marx as an upper class ideologist,” International Review of History and Political Science. (Nov.) Vol 14, No.4: 26-40
 * 1981: “Systemic Dynamic Social Theory,” International Review of Modern Sociology. 11 (1;Jan-Dec): 251-282
 * 1981: with A. E. Cash, “The decline of power exercise at high interaction frequency levels,”   International Journal of Contemporary Sociology.
 * 1985: “Orwell, modern thought, and totalitarianism,” Quarterly Journal of Ideology. Vol. 9, No. 2: 17-31
 * 1987: “The Flight from Ambiguity by Donald N. Levine,” A book review 65(3)895
 * 1990: “A review of ‘’Europe after an American Withdrawal Economic and Military Issues’’,” edited by Jane M. O. Sharp. Oxford Oxford University Press, Journal of Political and Military Sociology. Vol. 18, No. 2
 * 1991: “Against canonical vocabulary in sociology,” Perspectives. Vol 14, No. 2 (April): 4
 * 1991: “A sociohistorical perspective for East European developments,” Journal of Political and Military Sociology. Vol. 19 (Winter): 217-231.
 * 1991: “Communication] to the editors,” States and Societies. 8 (3;Winter): 7-8
 * 1996:    "Review - ´The Germans: Power Struggles and the Development of Habitus in the Ninetenth and Twentieth Centuries´," Journal of Political and Military Sociology. 24 (1), 133-139.
 * 2001: “Letters to the Editor. Science under siege,” submitted for publication Skeptical Inquirer, dated October 11.

Question about the last publication
On internet I couldn't find the last publication mentioned in the article:


 * 2002. Journey into a New Life. Carmel, IN, Simudell Publishers.

I couldn't even find " Simudell Publishers". Could anybody explain? -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 20:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Please see note sent to your email address this day Grant Park (talk) 09:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC).

Former Student(s)
I had Engelmann as a professor when I was an undegrad at Northern Illinois University (NIU) in 1978. When I took him as a not-too-serious-student sophomore, most of what he said went over my head and other students as well. His extensive historical references were beyond the knowledge base of most of us. I still got an A in his class because he graded on a curve. I remember his line, "The highest F is an A." I'd guess I averaged about 60% on his killer multiple-choice-question exams. Yet, a lot of his teaching stuck with me and made more sense as I went on in my studies. It was interesting to read this Wikipedia article, which really captured his essence. I didn't know, however, that he was a civil rights activist. He always stuck me as so into his theorizing that any applied, real world activity would bias his objectivity. His quiet activism in retrospect seems consistent with his humble brilliance. He used two books that looked to be self-published to teach what I recollect he called "dynamic systemic symbolic interactionism." The were pretty simple in layout, but not content, and were published by some obscure company. They looked almost like somebody's bound dissertation. One was a text and the other a workbook of sorts. He called them the "yellow menace" and the "red terror." It was in his class that I started to really learn to think critically, logically, and methodologically -- even if I wasn't yet intellectually prepared for everything he was dishing out. Engelmann had a big influence on me, although it took me awhile to realize it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.75.44.80 (talk) 12:41, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

How nice that you remember so much about the influence of Engelmann's classes and his Systemic Dynamic Social Theory. Am not sure if Wm C. Brown Book Company is a self-publisher. I see a lot of that company these days in text books. You are absolutely right about the "yellow menace" and the "red terror" named for the color of their covers. What you say about learning to think critically, logically, and methodologically is a common experience among his former students. I am delighted to hear you have been influenced like the rest of us. Grant Park (talk • contribs) 09:05, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Americans of Jewish descent
I am quit sure Hugo O. Engelmann is an Americans of Jewish descent, because he is named in Austrian Social Scientists in Exile 1933-1945, which I presume were most Jewish. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 11:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I just noticed the whole Category:Americans of Jewish descent is being deleted, see here. So I guess that is the end of it. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 23:29, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

The matter of Engelmann's Jewishness or non-Jewishness is complex. On the one hand he was baptized and was able to escape from Austria because he had a baptismal certificate. On the other hand, he was greatly aided in his escape by Jewish refugee committees. He greatly admired the humanity of the Jewish people who helped him without asking whether or not he was Jewish. The point was that these people cared about refugees without regard to their religion, saw a young man in need, and helped him. The implication here is that he did not consider himself Jewish but was deeply touched by the help he received. As a result he always thought favorably of Jews. However, he identified himself as a Catholic. The kindness of Jewish agencies was matched by the Wesleyan Foundation in America. It was unconcerned about whether he was Catholic, Methodist, or Jewish. He himself saw "religious sentiment less as the base, than as the outgrowth and the accompaniment of common human decency." He confirmed his Christian identity by having his son baptized as quickly as possible.

It is stretching the thin thread of truth to say Engelmann was Jewish. We ought to remove him from that category and leave his presumed ethnicity and religious identity alone. Grant Park (talk) 20:53, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Interesting, and complicated indeed. The Category:Americans of Jewish descent is allready removed because that category itself is deleted. If you want to remove the Category:Austrian-American Jews as well, it's fine with me. -- Marcel Douwe Dekker (talk) 22:28, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Marcel, Austrians who fled included union activists, Socialists and Communists, Jehovah's Witnesses, gays, people of Romani background, Esperantists, and others: not just Jews. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  01:23, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

punctuation error
"papers - an analysis of bussing and neighborhood schools--was " - The dashes need to be the same, but I don't know what the Wik standard is.

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