Talk:Hui people/Archive 2

Histiography
Removed comment on PRC histiography. Unless I'm mistaken, the PRC official histories don't deny the diverse origins of the Hui.

Move proposal
Jiang has proposed that we move this article from "Hui Chinese" to Hui because the only parallels of "Hui Chinese" are: However, Hui has no other significant encyclopedic entries by the same title -- A situation similar to the Manchus, Zhuang, Miao, Tujia, Dai, Wa, Naxi, Xibe, and Lhoba.
 * "Han Chinese", which has to have a second word attached to "Han" because Han is a disambiguation page.
 * "Li Chinese", disambiguate from Li the surname.

A second reason behind the move is that Hui Chinese is actually a dialect-language of the Chinese language(s) commonly spoken in Anhui.

Any comment?

--Menchi 07:35 30 Jun 2003 (UTC)


 * User:Roadrunner said on my Talk just now that he doesn't see any large political issue in either case. --Menchi 20:40 1 Jul 2003 (UTC)

--Go ahead with the change kt2 00:24 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

Jiang has made the essential changes. --Menchi 04:08 8 Jul 2003 (UTC)

A brief history of the hui
Huizu jianshi bianxiezu 回族簡史編寫組

Huizu jianshi 回族簡史

http://riccilibrary.usfca.edu/listAuthor.aspx?authorID=14647

http://riccilibrary.usfca.edu/view.aspx?catalogID=14882

http://books.google.com/books/about/Huizu_jianshi.html?id=TbllHAAACAAJ

http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=n%3A283155%2Ck%3AHuizu%20jianshi

http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/170118911?versionId=185416351

Turkic nationalist Masud Sabri's views on the hui
Masud sabri claimed that the hui were not an ethnic group, identifying them as han muslims since they differed little from han except in religion, and he claimed that tajiks were turks. He also rejected the label "uyghur", and just claimed all turkic peoples in xinjiang were one turkic ethnic group. Both Masud Sabri and Muhammad Amin Bughra were turkic nationalists and they did not identify as uyghur, only as turkic, although they would be and are classifed as uyghur people today.

http://books.google.com/books?id=qz3vdkxBt4AC&pg=PA181&dq=Masud+sabri&hl=en&sa=X&ei=606sULS5F63U0gHm-YHoDQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=Masud%20sabri&f=false

Han and Tibetans who assimilated into the Hui
Han assimilated into the Hui in Xunhua Salar autonomous county

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http://www.cnsalar.com/News_View.asp?NewsID=382

This is a blog so it can't be used as a source but its a good starting point, its about Tibetans who became Hui.

http://blog.nxnet.cn/user1/fanqianfeng/archives/2008/200861921220.shtml

term
Correct, Hui used to refer to the Old Uyghur Khaganate, then it referred to central asians from Khwarezm, then it became a label for Islam. "Most anthropologists agree that the current Hui were simply those Muslim groups who could not be categorized into existing Muslim nationalities (Uyghur, Salar, Kyrgyz, etc)." Incorrect, wrong, false. The current Hui identity was solidified as a seperate and unique entity in the Ming and Qing dynasties. It was not invented by the Communist party. The Ming and Qing already knew of ethnic differences between Muslims and had clear cut names for ethnic groups. Hui 回, would be applied to a variety of ethnicities during Qing times to signify their relgion was Islam. Uyghur ethnic group was called Chan tou Hui 缠头回 (Turban head Muslims), Salars were called Sala Hui 撒拉回 (Salar Muslims), Dongxiang or Sarta were called Dongxiang Hui. 東鄉回 or Sarta Hui 撒尔塔回 http://books.google....ala hui&f=false	https://web.archive.org/web/20150326073117/http:/books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PP24&dq=sala+hui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wasVU7SLE6rg0gHu04CoCw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAg http://books.google.com/books?id=Y8Nzux7z6KAC&pg=PP24&dq=sala+hui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wasVU7SLE6rg0gHu04CoCw&ved=0CD8Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=sala hui&f=false However, the ancestors of the current Huizu ( 回族) were already marked as a unique, and seperate group from other Muslims, by doubling the Hui character and referring to them as Huihui 回回. See page 95 https://web.archive....nautpage_93.pdf	https://web.archive.org/web/20150326073117/https:/web.archive.org/web/20110721015040/http:/www.ouigour.fr/recherches_et_analyses/Garnautpage_93.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20110721015040/http://www.ouigour.fr/recherches_et_analyses/Garnautpage_93.pdf Quote Detailed interrogation has been mounted of the Chinese ethnonyms applied to them such as Muslim (Huihui 回回) or Chinese Muslim (Hanhui 汉回), as distinct from the turban-wearing Turkic Muslims (Chanhui 缠回) and the contemporary Communist ethnic marker of the Hui Nationality (Huizu 回族). While their culture and language cannot be fully understood without reference to Chinese traditions, an equally rich field of interrogation is the tensions and commonalities between Chinese-speaking Muslims and their Turkic- speaking coreligionists in Central Asia, particularly in the Xinjiang region or East Turkistan. Here, Chinese-speaking Muslims are commonly known in Turkic dialects as the Dungan people (Uyghur Turkic Dungan/Tungan, Chinese Donggan 东干), a name that Chinese-speaking Muslims have at times used to refer to themselves.3 And read this http://books.google....ala hui&f=false	https://web.archive.org/web/20150326073117/http:/books.google.com/books?id=CfweAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA127&dq=sala+hui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wasVU7SLE6rg0gHu04CoCw&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBg http://books.google.com/books?id=CfweAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA127&dq=sala+hui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wasVU7SLE6rg0gHu04CoCw&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sala hui&f=false http://books.google....ala hui&f=false	https://web.archive.org/web/20150326073117/http:/books.google.com/books?id=CKAvZ0U7d7sC&pg=PA127&dq=sala+hui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wasVU7SLE6rg0gHu04CoCw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBw http://books.google.com/books?id=CKAvZ0U7d7sC&pg=PA127&dq=sala+hui&hl=en&sa=X&ei=wasVU7SLE6rg0gHu04CoCw&ved=0CFcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=sala hui&f=false Quote The exact meaning of Hui in the late imperial context is highly contested. Yet, there is an indication that there were ethnic differences among the Hui with ethnonyms employed such as Chantou Hui (lit. Turban-ed Hui) and Sala Hui (the group today identified as the Salars) Tibetan Muslims (Khache or Kachee) are not classified as Hui by the communist party, but as Tibetan. They think of themselves as Tibetan. http://books.google....epage&q&f=false	https://web.archive.org/web/20150326073117/http:/books.google.com/books?id=-d6PAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA75 http://books.google.com/books?id=-d6PAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA75#v=onepage&q&f=false http://en.wikipedia....Tibetan_Muslims	https://web.archive.org/web/20150326073117/http:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Muslims http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tibetan_Muslims The reason that the Communist party did not give the Utsul-Cham their own ethnic group,

http://www.amazon.co...s/dp/0520272749	https://web.archive.org/web/20150326073117/http:/www.amazon.com/Coming-Terms-Nation-Classification-Studies/dp/0520272749 http://www.amazon.com/Coming-Terms-Nation-Classification-Studies/dp/0520272749 http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/0155019708	https://web.archive.org/web/20150326073117/http:/www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Identity-China-Nationality-Anthropology/dp/0155019708 http://www.amazon.com/Ethnic-Identity-China-Nationality-Anthropology/dp/0155019708

About Huihui
Huihui was the name given by the Mongols to refer to followers of the Abrahamic religions (Jews, Muslims and Christians), not to all foreigners.