Talk:Human rights in Bahrain

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Bahrain is a majority Shia nation, governed by Arab Sunni's. They have historically, crushed and put down any kind of protest by the Shia community. This is not exactly noted in this article and should be acknowledged. Bahrain may have a better human rights record than her neighbors, but this is again because it [human rights] is relative to other countries.

24.80.97.19 (talk) 19:20, 18 July 2010 (UTC)ditc

Recent events in Bahrain
Someone has suggested merging a recent addition of mine -- Manama incident -- to this page. Rather than doing that I feel we should wait to see what happens there over the next few days and start a larger article on the current unrest. That can then be linked here. Timothymarskell (talk) 08:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I suggest merging for now. WP:NOTNEWS - we don't cover news stories. If it becomes more significant, then it can be branched out later.--Scott Mac 08:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Merge.Insufficient strength for its own article. Just one part of a bigger subject. Dloh  cierekim  10:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Do not merge Good article on significant incident. Morover, this article is already so long that it needs more sub-article, not fewer.I.Casaubon (talk) 17:48, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

suggestion to write the lead
The present lead/introductory paragraph doesn't seem to correspond much to the content of the article. As per WP:LEAD, a practical way to do this would be: Hope this helps to people who are working on this article. Boud (talk) 22:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * go to each large section and write a very short, NPOV one or two sentence summary, including repeat references to the sources (e.g. )
 * then write the lead as a summary of those summaries.


 * True. I have rewritten the lead following Human Rights Watch's 2011 country report.I.Casaubon (talk) 17:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Apartheid in Bahrain
There is a discussion about whether there should be an article entitled Apartheid in Bahrain. .I.Casaubon (talk) 22:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Given the unwieldy length of this article, I propose that the section on Apartheid in Bahrain be moved to an independent article.I.Casaubon (talk) 17:54, 5 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Plan to change the article to oppression of Shia as the post-uprising issues are much broader than just segregation/aparteid. --BoogaLouie (talk) 17:22, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * This section is out of place -- not that it necessarily has a place in wikipedia. This is an article on human rights in Bahrain, not on how many journalists or academic say that Bahrain is apartheid. --BoogaLouie (talk) 19:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Bahrain and the apartheid analogy is a better place for the material about apartheid in Bahrain, like the Grand Prix boycott.  There is so much abuse of human rights in Bahrain that multiple sub-articles are needed, i.e. Torture in Bahrain, and they all need more contributors.I.Casaubon (talk) 19:09, 10 June 2011 (UTC)


 * That article is my next goal after fixing some issues at current articles. Many information here are outdated as you have mentioned, since what you called "post-uprising" issues made the situation much worse.  Mohamed CJ  (talk) 09:28, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Yitzhak Nakash quote
I'm suffering from mission creep here, in that I started editing the Human Rights section to amend the Sunni/Shia split and ended up tidying up the links. Whilst doing that I actually found the the chapter that the Nakash quote comes from online as a sample chapter. The problem is, contrary to what the article says, he doesn't say it. He also didn't say that the invasion led to an "illegitimate occupation". He actually says: Shi'is alleged that the Al Khalifa failed to gain legitimacy in Bahrain and established a system of "political apartheid based on racial, sectarian, and tribal discrimination."16

Unfortunately the notes aren't included in the sample chapter, so we don't know where he sourced it from.

Because of this, I'm deleting the attempt to give the statement academic credibility and including just the base statement itself, referenced to Nakash's book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromley86 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 16 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I can confirm this. Reading from this sample, a quick search (Ctrl + F) for "apartheid" will do it. How did you know it's page 24 though? That book is quite a good source for Bahrain history.  Mohamed CJ  (talk) 08:48, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * At the top of the page you link to above is a link to a PDF version. That's the one I used for the cite and it's a scan of the first 41 pages. Bromley86 (talk) 02:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Vali Nasr
The Nasr reference isn't correct, in that it is Bobby Ghosh who says "the Sunni élite treats Shi'ites as an underclass, limiting them primarily to manual labor and denying them a fair share of state resources". Another attempt to insert academic credentials?. Anyway, it doesn't add anything to the earlier statement, so I'm deleting it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bromley86 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait! It's there, but the person who inserted info tweaked it. "'For Shi'ites, Sunni rule has been like living under apartheid,' says Vali Nasr, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and author of The Shia Revival: How Conflicts Within Islam Will Shape the Future." I will insert the correct info.  Mohamed CJ  (talk) 09:03, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Raymond Barrett article in The Christian Science Monitor
Yes I understand it was not in the Time magazine, but a small correction would have fixed this rather than removing content. Here's the link for article in The Christian Science Monitor.

Similar fixes to the above should be also made (by probably me) to Bahrain's section in Persecution of Shia Muslims article.  Mohamed CJ  (talk) 09:23, 18 March 2012 (UTC) ✅

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