Talk:Humane Slaughter Act

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A lot of this stuff seems like it can't possibly be true. Both cattle and pigs are hung by rear legs, bled, then cleaned before any disassembly occurs. There is absolutely no chance they are alive when cut apart-- even the cleaning process, though a horrible way to die it would be, would easily kill them before they reached that stage-- it simply is not logically possible for it to be true. Much of this article smacks of propaganda.


 * Um... there are videos of all sorts of animal cruelty at slaughterhouses. VIDEOS. Kind of hard to deny this "propaganda." Jeez. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.198.12.96 (talk) 17:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Unionization
There is tons of information on the issue of unions and slaughterhouse worker abuse. See http://cyberactivist.blogspot.com/ for one example. Virgil Butler is now involved in animal rights issues but his background was originally in workers' rights. His site contains plenty of stuff about worker abuse, that which he experienced and some from other former (and current) slaughterhouse workers as well. Fast Food Nation also describes related info.

If someone feels that my statement in regards to unions and poor treatment of workers is too general, that's fine; I fixed it. To delete it outright is overkill since there is plenty of evidence that at least some of what I described does exist, and at a scale large enough that it warrants mentioning. Devotchka 20:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

In the United States, and in most countries, unionization is never forbidden for any company with more than 50 employees. Only in the more corrupt parts of the world would slaughterhouse workers be prohibited from unionizing, and even there, it seems unlikely, as generally corrupt labor unions hold enormous influence in some parts of the world. In the US, employers are required to engage in good-faith negotiations with labor unions, and only in the event of an extended strike can an employer hire permanent replacement workers. Union-busting is even more onerous in Western Europe and parts of Asia.

This is an impartial encylopedia of facts, not a political forum, and unless you, Devotchka, or another member can provide conclusive proof of slaughterhouses blocking unionization, that compenent of this article needs to go.

-Wgw2024 06:12 11/17/05

I agree that this is not meant to be a political forum, so I'll take the part about unionizing out until I CAN find "conclusive" info. (And I don't have time to look for it right now. Maybe someone else will.) I'm still going to leave the stuff about slaughterhouses threatening employees with termination of their jobs, though, since that isn't related to unionizing and I do have more concrete evidence of that. Oh, and thanks for your informative and polite response. I want to keep Wikipedia from becoming biased, too. Devotchka 22:00, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

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Needs Sources
Can someone please start including links to the criticism section? Two of them have no support and since one uses a direct quote there needs to be some kind of link to support it. I am also removing the following section from the criticism:

"===Slaughterhouse workers=== Animal and human rights activists are concerned with the treatment of slaughterhouse workers, who are very often abused, overworked, and underqualified for their duties. Generally uneducated and without competent English skills, they are desperate for work.  Some employees report that they are threatened with the loss of their jobs should they attempt to complain about the abattoir.  They are expected to slaughter one animal every three seconds--and are penalized when they slow down. This translates to frustration and anger on the part of the workers, and further abuse for the animals they slaughter. "

None of that is substantiated by the link attributed to it. Please read the link, its a short article. None of the facts listed in the paragraph show up in the article, or they appear to be inferenced by the writer. I actually want to know why this is in the Human Slaughter Act section whatsoever. The Humane slaughter Act does not in any way involve the treatment of employees. That should go under labor laws, not here.

I removed:

"An anonymous slaughterhouse worker (as documented by the Humane Farming Association) stated, "[If a cow is unable to walk] they put a big long chain around her neck then drag her all the way up to where we are. Usually she's dead by then. Strangled. Sometimes a steer would get its head stuck in the restrainer. You couldn't stun it at that point so you'd end up cutting its head off while the beef was still alive.""

because it has no supporting material link. Please find the book or website or whatever the Humane Farming association lists this information and post that before this is added back in. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZgokE (talk • contribs) 09:08, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I have also decided that after a long search the following section will be erased.

Failure to enforce
Additional criticism exists in the USDA's failure to enforce the HMSLA effectively. Arthur Hughes, president of the National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals, has stated that, “We are the people who are charged by Congress with enforcing [the HMLSA], but most of our inspectors have little to no access to those areas of the plants where animals are being handled and slaughtered."

I could not find a reputable source that makes this statement. All the sources I find merely lead me to dead links. Please this is incredibly important, if you quote some put up a link to a reputable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ZgokE (talk • contribs) 09:42, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Revert
Do not revert until you have reputable sources or you have gone over my previous statements. ZgokE (talk) 00:16, 6 May 2010 (UTC) (ie the two above sections I wrote in October of 2009. ZgokE (talk) 00:23, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Chickens, cone beheading stress?
I watched on a TV program has some chickens were loaded into cones and beheaded, thinking that's awful they have to watch while each the others is killed (rather than being loaded into a cone alone and killed one of the time without seeing fellow chickens die). But I quickly reminded myself, I don't think like a chicken. For example, I watched a documentary where a zebra broke into a cage of dangerous predators at a zoo because it didn't like being alone. Perhaps it is less stressful for a chicken to be near other chickens when having it's head removed. Is there any studies are data on this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.211.69.222 (talk) 01:39, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

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general critique
Are there viewpoints that are overrepresented, or underrepresented? I found that the criticism was very underrepresented. A couple lines that point out that fish, rabbit, and chicken are not a part of the Humane Slaughter Act does not do this justice. I am sure many groups are fighting for the human slaughter of these animals and if they included the terrible truths that went on with these animals, more people would get a full picture of why this is a huge problem. Check a few citations. Do the links work? Is there any close paraphrasing or plagiarism in the article? Also, there are many citations that are needed, and very few citations in general. I am unaware if there is plagiarism, but this article is very under cited. Nv613 (talk) 20:57, 18 February 2017 (UTC)

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