Talk:Humber River (Ontario)

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This is from the Humber River disamb page, and should probably be worked in here:
 * "The Humber River in Toronto flows south 93 km from its origin in Orangeville to Lake Ontario. Its eastern branch originates in Aurora, Ontario and meets the river just south of Highway 7.  The western branch flows from the Claireville Conservation Area in Brampton west into Toronto through Rexdale roughly parallel to Finch Ave., and then Albion Rd., before meeting the main branch at Summerlea Park near Weston and Sheppard."

Waterguy 20:03, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Rename page
I believe this article would be better named Humber River (Ontario), which is currently a redirect to this page. The river has origins well outside of Toronto, and some parts are even external to the GTA, so it doesn't make sense to have a title with such a narrow focus. Mind matrix  19:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it makes sense to rename it. --NormanEinstein 20:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Back on February I tried to change the category from Category:Rivers of Toronto to Category:Rivers of Ontario but User:Trovatore reverted me and that's where it stood. Most of the Toronto rivers - the Don, the Rouge, even Mimico and Etobicoke Creeks begin outside Toronto, yet they are all labelled as such. Where does the distinction begin, or end? --Atrian 20:32, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't really remember what I was thinking back then. I guess I don't have any real objection to the rename, though the river seems pretty strongly associated with Toronto to me (and Ontario's such a big place...). --Trovatore 20:49, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I remember now. My objection wasn't really to adding the article to "Rivers of Ontario" so much as to removing it from "Rivers of Toronto" (because it clearly is a river of Toronto, even if it's a river of other places as well). The general rule is that if B is a subcat of A, then an article should not be in both cat B and cat A. I've long thought, though, that there should be an exception for the case where part of the article would put it in cat B, and a different part of the article would put it in cat A but not in any subcat of cat A. Here we're talking about different parts of the river rather than different parts of the article, but I think the same principle should apply, and the article should be in both categories. --Trovatore 21:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

total deaths on Raymore Drive
total deaths and houses damages should be clairified I would concider this information incorrect the city of toronto website states different numbers.. about half. this is the sentence in question. Raymore Drive, 60 homes were destroyed and 32 people killed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.83.249 (talk) 14:38, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Photos
It would be nice if this article were to have a photo from up somewhere in Caledon, such as Bolton. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.48.102.24 (talk) 10:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Garrison Creek
I changed the section on watercourses that bound the Humber, adding Garrison Creek. Garrison Creek has been almost completely buried and sewerized, so I changed the wording, slightly. There were about two dozen smaller creeks that have now been buried, sewerized, or dried up, between Etobicoke Creek and the Rouge River. I created stubs for three that had been named between Etobicoke Creek and Mimico Creek. Between Garrison Creek and the Don River, in addition to Garrison Creek, Russell Creek and Taddle Creek, there were half a dozen smaller streams. Four creeks each about 1 km long flowed into Ashbridges Bay between the Don present day Leslie Street. Another half dozen small creeks flowed into Lake Ontario between Leslie Street and the mouth of Highland Creek.

I think that when the smaller creeks can be referenced, they merit articles of their own. Geo Swan (talk) 12:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Heh, glad to see you turning a new leaf on separate articles. The TRCA doesn't recognize the watersheds of these buried creeks. The watershed boundaries are still essentially the same as 100 years ago, but it's now a stormwater management system that drains into Lake Ontario as opposed to a defined river basin. -  Floydian  τ ¢  19:59, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

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Was the Humber River not called "passage de taronto"?
User:Magnolia677 deleted my edit, content indicating that on maps in the 1600s, the river was referred to as Taronto(s). The User's comments on reverting my most recent edit said, Reverted good faith edits by Peter K Burian: The Narrows are in Atherley, Ontario, about 100 km from the Humber River. This has little connection to this article. Please discuss.

Well, the content I had added was well cited, with this excellent scholarly source. Canadian Climate of Mind: Passages from Fur to Energy and Beyond Publisher=McGill-Queens The relevant pages are available for viewing at https://books.google.ca/books?id=RNruCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=Tarontos+Lac&source=bl&ots=a47W_4-ifo&sig=f4f5AE0H0Na5-KKDc54tZHAgFCg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiyqceatojeAhVo5YMKHWxrAJc4ChDoATAHegQIAxAB#v=onepage&q=Tarontos%20Lac&f=false

This is a summary of the content from Google: This French map, which was published in 1688, shows Lac Taronto (Lake Simcoe) and to the south the Seneca/Mohawk village of Theyagon (Teieiagon) on a stretch of '''the passage de taronto (Humber River) just north of Lake Ontario. ...'

And a CBC article also confirms that the river was called Tarontos: They also applied the name Tarontos to a number of waterways in southern Ontario, including the Humber and Severn rivers, as well as southern Georgian Bay, https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-map-tarontos-lake-simcoe-history-1.4861342

Considering the above, what was wrong with the content I had added that called for it to be reverted? Was the Humber not called Tarontos on the ancient maps?? I kindly request that User:Magnolia677 cancel his revert, or modify the content I had added (if necessary, about fishing wiers, for example) and then post it back into the article. Peter K Burian (talk) 19:53, 15 October 2018 (UTC)


 * It might be nice to get a second opinion. User:Keith D, you often edit articles about Canadian topics where I have added content, such as West Montrose, Ontario today. If you have time to comment on the above re: Tarontos, that would be appreciated. Cheers, Peter K Burian (talk) 19:57, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry but I cannot comment on this, my knowledge of Canadian things could easily fit on a fag packet. Keith D (talk) 20:00, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply, Keith. I notice that User:Leventio often contributed to this article, and perhaps would comment on this discussion. Peter K Burian (talk) 20:06, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

I think that the content you wrote is a bit confusing. What narrows? I've read there were weirs in Lake Simcoe which of course was Lac Toronto at one time. But Lake Simcoe does not connect with the Humber. Alaney2k (talk) 21:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Alaney2k. I have added new, fully-cited content that is not at all confusing; your thoughts on that new edit? Peter K Burian (talk) 21:27, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
 * I tweaked your latest addition to the article, but I don't see anything wrong with the edit itself. That said, if I'm being honest, I didn't really pilfered through the article's history to see whats going on, so I'm a bit confused as to what the original issue is. We talking about the names formerly used to call the river? Leventio (talk) 01:07, 16 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you Leventio. I also don't know why that User deleted everything I had added. There was some confusion about some of the historic aspects (fishing weirs) ... were they actually on the river or far away? Anyway, I removed that and I think everyone is fine with the current version. Cheers. Peter K Burian (talk) 01:50, 16 October 2018 (UTC)

Brule's presence on the Humber not proven
The following passage illustrates a problem. There is no proof that Brule was ever on the Humber, and yet we continue to say it. Historical statements should never begin with the statement "It is believed..." There should at least be some attribution - i.e. of a credible source that first made the statement, and the evidence on which their belief was based. "Left no written record" means there is no proof. Champlain himself did not mention Brule by name. A noted expert on Brule - Daniele Caloz - told me herself the proof is just not there. This needs to be corrected, and it should start with this page.

"It is believed that Étienne Brûlé was the first European to encounter the Humber while travelling the Toronto Carrying-Place Trail. Brûlé passed through the watershed in 1615 on a mission from Samuel de Champlain to build alliances with native peoples, but left no written record." Christopher G. Higgins (talk) 21:52, 6 March 2024 (UTC)