Talk:Humble Bundle/Archive 2

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. &mdash;Mr. Strong Bad (talk) 21:37, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Humble Indie Bundle → Humble Bundle – The Humble Bundles are no longer strictly "indie" bundles, as evidenced by today's release of the Humble THQ Bundle. The entity as a whole seems to be called "Humble Bundle" (for example, the official Google+ and Facebook pages refer to themselves as "Humble Bundle", not "Humble Indie Bundle"). Since this page details all the Humble Bundles and not just the ones that are specifically "Humble Indie Bundles", I feel that a page move is appropriate. &mdash;Mr. Strong Bad (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * (I encouraged Mr. Strong Bad to do this instead of doing it without a check, just in case). Support the move, given what I read in the criticism of THQ's bundle in that most sources have dropped "indie" when new bundles have come out (this was before today). We should note that they were originally HIB's but since have been more HB's. --M ASEM  (t) 22:12, 29 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Support, the "Indie"-titled bundles have been in a minority for a while now.  Я ehevkor ✉  16:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. The company is called Humble Bundle Inc., the website is humblebundle.com, and frankly everyone refers to them collectively as "the Humble Bundles."  Their scope has expanded, as well.  unless (talk) 21:51, 30 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Comment. I thought it was interesting that on this page of the Humble Bundle website, there's a link to this Wikipedia article, but it actually links to the (current) Humble Bundle redirect page instead of the proper article at Humble Indie Bundle.  &mdash;Mr. Strong Bad (talk) 07:43, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Support a look at the website confirms that they diversified their offerings and now use the Humble Bundle name. Hekerui (talk) 12:47, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Propose moving the list of games offered to its own page
Given the extensive length of the list of games offered, I would suggest that a new list page be created to contain that information. The list takes up half of the page's length, and as per WP:SPLITLIST, I think it would be better served by having its own article. --Mikaka (talk) 21:31, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We've been talking about doing it, just been a while in coming. --M ASEM (t) 22:14, 31 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm going to want to do this soon but before I do I want to touch a bit on the degree of precision that's being used in the table. I don't think we need dollar figures or bundle #s to beyond three places of precision (eg: the Origin bundle's reported at $10.54M (which is good) but sales at 2,136,893, when really we only need to state, "2,130k+".) As long as we round down and add this as the lower bound on the number, then all the last few sales that come in the post-closing hours don't matter too much - we just need the rough figure. This goes throughout the article, not just the table. --M ASEM  (t) 16:02, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Donations vs payments
Purchasers or buyers make payments to buy the bundles. Some or all of some of the payments may be donations to charity. But the totals are of payments, not donations. Lovingboth (talk) 10:44, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


 * You are not required to make payments to the devs or humble bundle, I would say it is a donation to all of them.Cky2250 (talk) 13:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


 * See above - buyers can choose to make some of their payment a donation. But no payment, no games / music / books / whatever, so you can't call it a donation until you can enter $0 and still get the stuff. Lovingboth (talk) 18:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Where is the area of the article that you are talking about, Humble Bundle has a press release of what total donations they have given out.—CKY2250 &tau;&alpha;&iota;&kappa; 21:45, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * The one on the original bundle used to say "more than US$1 million in sales within the week from approximately 116,000 donations". Similarly, the pie charts used to say "number of donations" and "value of the donations" rather than the correct "number of purchasers" and "value of the payments". I changed those and said why here. Lovingboth (talk) 10:20, 12 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Oh you made it confusing. lol. You do not need to post in the talk page for this type of change unless it is reverted. Just a summary is needed.—CKY2250 &tau;&alpha;&iota;&kappa; 13:32, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Motto
Motto: Pay what you want, DRM Free, cross-platform, Helps charity.

Is this still the current motto? A lot of what they've offered recently are Steam-based, and I don't consider Steam-based to be DRM-free. Morfusmax (talk) 18:43, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It's what they are historically known for, and when they do bundles where one of these doesn't apply, they nix it temporarily on the bundle page. And while they offer steam keys there's nearly always a DRM-free version available too. --M ASEM (t) 18:52, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * List of bundles with no DRM-free games:

Morfusmax (talk) 23:45, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Humble Weekly Sale: bitComposer
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Zen Studios
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Team 17 -- games are steam-only
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Paradox Interactive -- games are steam-only
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Nordic Games
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Kalypso Media
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Hothead Games
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Hosted by PewDiePie -- The Showdown Effect
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Focus Home Interactive
 * Humble Weekly Sale: Egosoft
 * Humble Weekly Sale: 1C Company -- Men of War games
 * Humble WB Games Bundle
 * Humble Origin Bundle
 * Humble Deep Silver Bundle


 * To state this explicitly referring to Steam: Several of the more recent bundles to date came with the explicit note that **all** games in the bundle are **exclusively** available on Steam, without any alternative. 85.180.121.27 (talk) 22:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Lets see. "Pay what you want" - no. Actually there is a minimum of 1$ payment, plus for that one gets only one to three titles, with whole bundle usually requiring to pay more than 10-20$ (sometimes over 100$). "DRM Free" - as evidenced, more than 50% of offerings are DRMed, to the extent I personally refer to HB as a "Steam Shop". "Cross-Platform" - nope, majority of titles is not. "Helps charity" - this is probably the only thing left intact. So, realistically its "Humble Bundle - helps charity", by purchasing DRMed games, mind you (like making war for peace). 77.11.55.28 (talk) 22:06, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Article bloat and a fork idea
This article has an amazing amount of good information, but desperately needs some editing. It seems every possible thing that can be said about Humble Bundle was included without much concern for concision, due weight, or notability. I just made some changes to the criticism section, removing e.g. a paragraph that could be summarized "people didn't like one of the bundles."

The level of detail and background information about each and every bundle as well as the games and designers for each game in each of those bundles stands out as overkill, adding up to a list that is extraordinarily disproportionate to the subject of the page. I mean Humble Bundle, picked at random because it's where my cursor stopped while scrolling through it all, is three substantial paragraphs long resting entirely on one source, with extensive original research (well, original research or primary sourced material). Perhaps I'm wrong in thinking this is severely undue and non-notable, but then there should be more than one reliable secondary source saying so.

Although I do think there's a lot of fat to be trimmed regardless, maybe one approach is to create a stand-alone list article. This page could then link to that one via a Main Article link, displaying at most maybe a basic wikitable here. Thoughts? --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  |  22:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Oops. Missed that the latter came up already a few months ago. Looks like it didn't go anywhere, though. Any objections if I started doing this in the next couple days? --&mdash;  Rhododendrites talk  |  22:34, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


 * I do agree that at this point, as these are no longer "unique" sales, that iterating every version of the main sales is not as important any more (given we break down the details on the separate list article). We can still break down that there's "main" sales and other types and place some of the highlights of the record-breaking ones in place, but we don't need to count each anymore .--M ASEM (t) 22:40, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Another consideration: as the article's infobox and this article points out, this is really now a business, and we may want to consider revamping this to take that approach. That would nix most of the specific bundle details though we can clearly highlight that they've done various bundles include music and ebooks, leaving the bundle list page to handle the specifics. --M ASEM (t) 18:00, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I'd think Amnesia Fortnight is one of the things that deserves its own section/few paragraphs, since it's distinct from all the other bundles and is on the verge of being an annual event. But yeah, you can probably reduce down to a section on main bundles, a section on weekly bundles, an Amnesia Fortnight section, a store section, a developer bundle section, an "other" section (music, ebooks, videos) and a mobile section. The details in the per-bundle paragraphs don't add much more than verbs to the info in the List Of page. Morfusmax (talk) 22:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
 * There probably could be an Amnesia Fortnight article though it would be broader than just what happened in the Humbles, since it started back during Brutal Legend's development. (See Double Fine's page for tons of info there, and that's what Amnesia Fortnight redirects to presently.)  --M ASEM  (t) 23:34, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

About Sections 1.5-1.11 of the Humble Bundle Article
These sections seem to be redundant, especially with the fact that Section 1.4 [List of Humble Bundles] already presents a list of the Humble Bundles. Also, these sections seem to be outdated as it lacks the more recent bundles, especially from 2014-2015. Therefore, I would like to merge Sections 1.5-1.11 into a summary within Section 1.4. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshiman6464 (talk • contribs)


 * The overall article does need to be rescoped in considering the more recent trends. Very little of the individual bundles are really notable now, though the overall topic still is. This probably should focus more on Humble Bundle as the organization (including their history and current offerings) as opposed to focusing on the bundles. --M ASEM (t) 05:23, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Interwiki issues
It appears that this article is not linked to any articles in other languages, e.g. to
 * https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_Bundle
 * or https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humble_Bundle

However, if you look at those foreign language articles, they in fact are linked back to this article. When I tried to fix this and link this article to its foreign-language counterparts, Wiki reported an error. Maybe someone with more knowledge of how interwiki works could help? Thanks! --SSneg (talk) 10:09, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know what went wrong, but purging the article seems to fix it. Reach Out to the Truth 16:49, 20 December 2015 (UTC)