Talk:Hung for the Holidays/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Вик Ретлхед (talk · contribs) 07:25, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

This article seems short and it shouldn't take me more than a couple of days to review it.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 07:28, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Review
 * Intro
 * 1) The prose isn't very well written. For example: The EP did not commercially fare as well as his previous album, and also received negative critical reviews→The EP wasn't commercially successful as his previous album and was panned by music critics.
 * Fixed 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Background and content
 * 1) There should be a sentence or two about the recording process.
 * ✅ Added recording locations. 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Hung for the Holidays was aided by singing lessons he was taking at the time.→Hung took singing lessons before the start of the recording sessions.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Critical reception
 * 1) The SputnikMusic review should be omitted because it is written by Meatplow (user).
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) The review from The Trades doesn't appear to be written by notable critic. After a quick Google search, I haven't found any publication that uses reviews by Tony Pascarella.
 * True, but I think arguing that he's not a "notable critic" would be unnecessary here. It depends on the reliability and independence of the source, not the critic's notability. 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) The AllMusic review is reliable and should stay.
 * Great. 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Track listing
 * 1) The list doesn't have duration of the songs, nor contains the writer or composer.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) The list of personnel is missing.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) The overall duration of the record should be added to the info-box.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Final words: Honestly, I don't think this is a GA material. The article is too short and is missing some essential sections mentioned in the WP:MOS-ALBUM. I appreciate the effort, but this topic simply doesn't have the potential to be promoted to good article.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 12:29, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I fixed all the stuff you said above. However, I would like to make it clear that this is not a FAC and that Good articles honor good quality articles that are short, so saying that this article is "too short" would be unnecessary. I do thank you for doing the review, though, and I hope you do good when you review The Age of Plastic. 和DITOR  E tails 14:05, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * If you're not satisfied with the review, we can ask for a second opinion. I'll ask the community if the review you mentioned could be used in the article. Cheers.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 14:16, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Another things to address
 * at the Blue Jays-Rangers game in Toronto.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hung revealed that he would began→begin
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Hung for the Holidays received less commercial success than Inspiration.→It was commercially less successful than...
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * "It was also the poorest selling Christmas album of all time." This looks like bias.
 * Removed it. But its from a reliable source. Right? 和DITOR  E tails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it is not a reliable source. But regardless of its reliability, those kind of speculations have no place in encyclopedia.


 * "Similar to Inspiration, critical reviews for the album were also negative." If other Wikipedians don't consider "The Trades" as reliable source, you'll have to remove this.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * The personnel should be split to "Additional musicians" and "Technical personnel", since there are many musicians.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Here is the link to the discussion whether The Trades is reliable source.
 * Thanks for letting me know about this. 和DITOR  E tails 15:06, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Use another template for the tracking list because the current is not suitable. Use the second one from the list.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 16:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't have used CD Universe as a reference because it's an online music seller. Neither the text is authorized.
 * Removed. 和DITOR  E tails 16:18, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Place the references in appropriate templates.
 * What do you mean? 和DITOR  E tails 17:53, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Gave you an example how to do it with AllMusic.
 * ✅ 和DITOR  E tails 20:10, 2 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Can you find actual link so I can check the information about the Howard Stern show?
 * It is a youtube link. You can watch it here, if your saying to just listen to it to see if the info is actually on the show. 和DITOR  E tails 20:27, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind that.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Conclusion:I think this article needs a serious re-building to meet the GA criteria. As far as I noted, the prose is poorly written, it is not broad in its coverage, it contains trivia and basic grammatical errors. In its current state it is barely a C-class article, and far away for B. I am closing the review as failed.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 20:37, 2 September 2013 (UTC)