Talk:Hungerford Bridge and Golden Jubilee Bridges

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Why is it named the 'Hungerford' Bridge??

The first bridge at this location was a suspension bridge, designed by IK Brunel. At the north end it landed on the site of Hungerford market, and so the bridge was called Hungerford bridge. The market was named after the Earl of Hungerford, who owned the land.
 * I had always thought that it was called Hungerford Bridge because the chains used in the original pedestrian suspension bridge came from a suspension bridge at Hungerford, Berkshire. This makes the chains at Clifton third-hand (!) I have to say I am not confident enough to add this bit of history to the main article - I will go away and check my facts. Rickedmo 21:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See |the relevant volume of the Survey of London The article probably needs some mention of the former Hungerford Market.--Lang rabbie 22:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The Title
I think the title needs to be changed to the Golden Jubilee Bridges. Its former name can then be mentioned in the article.


 * Only the two pedestrian bridges are called the Golden Jubilee Bridges. MRSC 20:11, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

The Iron Bridge?
From Southwark Bridge article: ''It was known as the "Iron Bridge" in comparison to London Bridge the "Stone Bridge". The bridge was notable for having the longest cast iron span, 240 feet (73 m), ever made. It is frequently referenced by Charles Dickens, for example in Little Dorrit and Our Mutual Friend, and there was a recreation of the old bridge made for the 2008 Little Dorrit (TV serial).''

From Hungerford Bridge article: This bridge is probably the 'Iron Bridge' of Dickens's Little Dorrit (1855-7).

Presumably one is wrong, and I'm guessing from the text Southwark is likely to be the right one, but the sources on the pages don't clarify either way.

I've posted this to the talk pages of both bridges, so if you clarify on one please close the issue on the other. Lessthanideal (talk) 23:26, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * In Chapter 9, the iron bridge is described as having a pavement and road, so it can't be Hungerford. --DavidCane (talk) 23:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes it can be. The only known photograph of the original Hungerford bridge (of 1845) taken by Fox Talbot shows a suspension bridge using iron chains as the support for the pedestrian roadway.  There was no railway bridge on the site at that time.

Hungerford Bridge?
The article refers to Hungerford Bridge in the present as though it is still standing and also refers to the railway bridge. Not the case I'm afraid.

The original Hungerford Bridge was built in 1845 as a pedestrial footbridge to a suspension design.

In 1863 the Charing Cross Railway Bridge was build on the site of the Hungerford Bridge which was demolished to make way. Two pedestrian footbridges named the Hungerford Bridges were built either side of the Railway Bridge.

In 1887 the upstream pedestrian bridge was removed to allow the railway bridge to be widened.

In 1979 the Hungerford Bridge was replaced by a new structure, while a temporary scafolding and board structure was provided on the upstream side of the railway bridge to maintain the pedestrian right of way.

Finally in 2002, the cable stayed Golden Jubilee foot bridges were built and the remaining Hungerford footbridge removed.

The important issue here: is that the railway bridge has never been called Hungerford Bridge (except in error) having been always called, as it is, "Charing Cross Railway Bridge". There is no bridge on the site called Hungerford Bridge today as both foot bridges are called "Golden Jubille Bridge (upstream)" and "Golden Jubilee Bridge (downstream)".

All this information can be found in many sources, but a quick search found it in Thames Bridges from Dartford to Source by Neil Davenport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.153.242.10 (talk) 14:10, 23 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Interesting. I note that the rmain article reference (1) also refers to the railway bridge as "Charing Cross Railway Bridge" when it is clearly talking about the railway bridge on its own.  It also makes two refences to "Hungerford (Charing Cross) Bridge" but in two locations where it could clearly be refering to both the railway and pedestrian bridge.  The other reference to "Hungerford Bridge" is clearly the title of the painting so captioned - so not really a good source.


 * Since the information in the article is effectively unsourced, and you seem to have a valid and verifiable source, I would say go ahead and amend the article to match your source (this is nothing less than what Wikipedia demands). If someone wishes to restore the original wording then they will have to provide a source that trumps yours (WP:BURDEN). DieSwartzPunkt (talk) 15:55, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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