Talk:Huntsville, Alabama/Archive 1

John Hunt link
It was pointing to the John Hunt page, which doesn't include our guy. Presumably it would be better to just go directly to his not-yet-existent page, but we need a unique name. I would have liked John Hunt (founder of Huntsville, Alabama) but that's not really accurate. John Hunt (first English landowner near present-day Huntsville, Alabama) is ridiculously long, so I just opted for John Hunt (Huntsville, Alabama). I suppose I could have said "namesake".... At any rate, if there's a Wikipedia standard, or if anyone has strong feelings about the link name, go ahead and change it. I've intentionally held off on adding it to the John Hunt disambiguation page for precisely this reason. -- PhilipR 14:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

More detail now on the related Wikicity pages
Material that might be considered not quite encyclopaedic would be welcome on .com/wiki/Huntsville the Huntsville page or its (currently eleven) subsidiary pages. Robin Patterson 05:12, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Capital
Shouldn't this be cleaned up to say Huntsville was the first TEMPORARY capital of Alabama?

"Huntsville became Alabama's first capital when the state was admitted to the union. However, the following year the capital was moved to Cahawba. (Today, the capital is Montgomery.)"

The first capital was Cahawba (or that's what this says). One of the pages has a little misguided information that should be fixed, I believe. It should be changed to say, "Temporarily, Huntsville became Alabama's capital when the state was admitted to the union. A permenate capital was set up the following year in Cahawba, and finally it was moved to Montgomery."

I'm not sure if those facts are correct, so I'm not making the change myself. One of them needs changing though because most people won't check out the Cahawba page to see that Huntsville was a temporary capital, not a permanate one. -StarSaber

Huntsville and Cahawba were actually both temporary capitals, depending on your definition of temporary. Both are true capitals, however, defined in Article III, section 29 of the original state constitution of 1819. Huntsville is designated to serve as the capital for the first legislative session, and Cahawba set as the temporary capital for subsequent sessions until a permanent capital is not decided upon by the end of the 1825 session. Tuscaloosa was selected as the next capital by the deadline, and thus Cahawba did not become locked in as the permanent capital. -Anivron 22:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Crime Rate
Seems there was a vandalism that claims Huntsville dangerous, so here's the FBI data (secondary source: .com City-Data .com)

'''Crime Rate per pop. 100,000''' (2003)

Huntsville, AL .com/city/Huntsville-Alabama.html
 * murder - 11.7
 * rape - 51.5
 * robbery - 193.8
 * assault - 349.0
 * burglary - 1,067.1
 * auto theft - 536.0

Birmingham, AL .com/city/Birmingham-Alabama.html
 * murder - 35.0
 * rape - 84.0
 * robbery - 556.8
 * assault - 702.6
 * burglary - 1,989.5
 * auto theft - 1,156.8

There's no way Huntsville is that dangerous - at least far safer than Birmingham.Yassie 15:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

That's a specious comparison, you are simply Affirming a disjunct. Just because Birmingham is more dangerous than Huntsville does not mean Huntsville is safe. The FBI data for the entirety of the US in 2003 (the year you referenced) shows the US average rates below Huntsville:

US Average
 * murder - 5.7
 * rape - 32.1
 * robbery - 142.2
 * assault - 295.0
 * burglary - 740.5
 * auto theft - 433.4

All of which are anyplace from 20 - 50% lower than the Huntsville numbers. Alphaman (talk) 13:55, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Red Star
The link to "Red Star" had nothing to do with the context in which it is used in this article, so I de-linked it. Further, it would be nice if someone could cite the origins of this factoid. --Jorge1000xl 22:10, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Although a former resident of Huntsville (working both on the space program and missile defense programs in the 80s), I find it hard to believe the city ever ranked fourth on Soviet target lists - it certainly wasn't and isn't an economic center of great significance and, while an important RD center for the space program and army tactical missile programs, it really was and has limited impact on operational military assets (unlike say a B-52 or Polaris submarine base) or even military production (Redstones missiles, while developed by ol' Werner and company, were actually manufactured in Detroit by Chrysler). Sounds like wishful thinking (if you can call it that)... jmdeur 20:10 10 April 2008 (UTC)

The reason it might get a higher rank than something such as a B-52 or a submarine is that there is only one Huntsville, while there are lots of B-52s and subs. While B-52s in general may be more important as targets, any one specific craft is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.188.199.11 (talk) 15:52, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Help
I have a picture of the downtown of huntsville but i dont know how to get it on the page, could someone help me, or even better put a picture of downtown huntsville for me. thanks

Historic Buildings
I, MicahDCochran, added this following to this article on 19:38, 24 June 2006:


 * American Memory's Built in America Collection which has drawings, photographs, and descriptions of old homes and buidings.

-- This was deleted on 12:15, 29 June 2006 by Huntsville89 because of the reason that it is "spam". It is content about historic buildings in the Huntsville area. I think this is good quality historic content and believe it should it be somewhere on wikipedia. Does this belong in this article? Why or why not? Thank you. --MicahDCochran 15:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * It doesn't seem like spam to me. Maybe it would not get edited out if you put it in the new Twickenham Historic District stub, which probably should get merged into it some of the info from History in Huntsville, AL --Tarnation 21:33, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * moved link and info to Twickenham Historic District--Tarnation 18:51, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a general question: what about the "eggbeater Jesus" church? How long has that mural been there? --Travlr23 05:22, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * First Baptist Church is the oldest baptist church in Huntsville. That particular building is at least 1970s.  The mural was started in 1966 and completed in 1973 according to the church's website.  http://www.fbchsv.org/aboutfbc/mosaic.html Runwolf 19:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

hospitals
Should Huntsville's hospitals (we have two, and one of them is a MAJOR one) get a mention on this page? Huntsville Hospital System should have its own article has its own article now and should be listed in a section titled Hospitals on this page, because of it's many different specialized centers. HHS is on the List of hospitals in Alabama page, as is Crestwood Medical Center. We could make a section for these two hospitals, and then work on the hospital pages, since there is already the possibility of articles for these hospitals somwhere else. --Travlr23 04:12, 4 September 2006 (UTC) edited: --Travlr23 16:26, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Be bold. --EazieCheeze 23:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I was bold and i created a Huntsville Hospital System page, but looking at other city pages, and where they put their hospitals on that city's main article page: Chicago has their under the heading "Infrastructure" then "Health and Medicine". Ours doesn't have anything like that, but it does have "Public Safety". Similarly, a lot of other cities' articles do not even mention their hospitals. And a lot of cities articles are generally different. There are completely different sections in the articles for Chicago, NYC, and LA. Is there a standard way that a cities article is laid out? I think that is my real concern, not about being bold... some standard way of doing things... --Travlr23 02:29, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, for now I'm putting it in the 'miscellaneous' section between the links and the notable people as defined by the city article standards.

Neighborhoods
If we're not careful, the "Neighborhoods" list will turn into a list of every subdivision in city limits. Perhaps we should come up with some standards and a formal definition for this? --Anivron 23:18, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I agree the neighborhoods list is nebulous. A category of suburbs that links to pages of their own is ok I think.  Unless a neighborhood or location is somehow noteworthy art, theatre, historic district it shouldn't be mentioned. The only ones I see that need calling out are the Historic Districts.  Surely there is a guide somewhere.--Tarnation 23:44, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It certainly strikes me as biased toward the wealthier parts of town -- perhaps because they have the more evocative names? - PhilipR 06:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it looks like it's getting to the point where it's going to list every planned community like The Ledges and Providence and/or every elementary school district like Blossomwood, Jones Valley, blah, blah, blah. Perhaps we should just chunk it and rename it to 'notable neighborhoods' and keep anything with an article.  If another neighborhood manages to get an article and not have it deleted, then that should qualify as passing the test of being a noteworthy neighborhood.  Thoughts? --Anivron 19:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Watch out or I might go write one about my native Northwest Huntsville. :)  Yeah, sounds good.   - PhilipR 04:52, 1 October 2006 (UTC)


 * We should at least keep any neighborhoods of historical value, of course. (Twickenham, 5 Points, etc) Anything new, I guess it could always be brought up for discussion here. --Travlr23 20:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Radio Template?
Whoever made the Huntsville Radio Template, it's not showing up on the page and it makes the rest of the page show up in small text. Please relocate it at the bottom of the page, redesign it, or remove it, thanks. Templates that large usually don't go in the middle of a page, anyhow. Also, It would be much easier just to make a table or a list with this information rather than a template. My 2 pence. Anyone else have a comment? --Travlr23 05:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Big Spring Picture
Maybe this is kind of anal, but the picture of "Big Spring" on here is actually not. The actual spring is a crack in the rock off to the left, and that is just a fountain. Sowelilitokiemu 15:13, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Maybe we should put "Big Spring Fountain" as a caption? Other than the fact that there are now 2 other fountains in what could be considered "Big Spring" (one in the "lake" in the park, one by the new hotel...). I mean, the picture of the fountain is probably more interesting than the picture of the crack in the rock... Although you could get a picture of both the fountain and the actual spring if you took it from where the little white lion statue is. --Travlr23 20:21, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That whole bluff is the spring. The pipe happens to be rigged into it. I'll post more pictures from the photography trip from last week later.--Anivron 08:13, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Attractions
Needs some work. I would prefer "Points of Interest"; attractions sounds like a carnival barker. Also, some cities have a separate section for venues; usually these are not attractions, just the events therein. Past Sports Franchises are definitely not attractions. I put the historic district stuff there as a lesser of evils. It really should go in a discussion of Cityscape like other cities have done usually higher up on the page.

Bus Accident (11/20/06)
It is national news, it is a major incident that brings up questions of bus safety, and it doesn't have a wiki page yet. Or does it? How do you find out if a news event has a wiki page? It isn't something that needs to be on the front page of wikipedia, but it is something pertaining to Huntsville. --Travlr23 22:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * News yes, but I don't think it qualifies as encyclopedic.--Tarnation 06:23, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, apparently tornadoes do. But, this is sort of on the edge, I think it qualifies, but, I'd be interested in what everyone else thought.AlaGuy 15:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It could be part of a major events in Huntsville section, and it could be something mentioned on the Hsv, AL page... --Travlr23 03:45, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * How about a separate article like, "Major Events", "Major Occurances", "Traffic Accidents", etc... If enough stuff like that can be found, I think it would warrant a separate article. AlaGuy 05:31, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Apparently yes, Tornadoes do qualify as encyclopedic. Are they germane to an article on Huntsville? Maybe not. We can talk about removing that.  One bus accident, does not warrant a section.  Maybe if we had several bus accident every spring??  If we put in a section for traffic accidents, I have had some really good ones that must be included.--Tarnation 06:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, now our bus accident has attracted the attention of Fred Phelps, who will be protesting at the funerals of three of these four kids who died in the accident. The accident itself was also important enough to warrant calling in the NTSB. I mean, other important crashes and accidents and school shootings have pages, why not a bus crash in Huntsville, AL? It doesn't have to be a long article, just an informational one. --Travlr23 04:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Monte Sano is Spanish not Italian

"Red Star" designation
I've heard the story that Huntsville was a target of the soviet union all my life, but have never seen a source for this. This page puts forth the "fact" that Huntsville was their 4th highest target. I'd like to see a source for that information. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.78.110.18 (talk) 20:50, 10 January 2007 (UTC).

(I've created an account now, so that I can track this discussion. I'm a total newbie to Wiki, so I hope I haven't screwed up to badly.)Runwolf 23:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * The whole Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area is considered a HUGE target by the federal government. In Decatur all vehicles that put satallites into orbit are produced in the city limits.  Huntsville, they have an enormous amount of operations and technology that can be cosidered a very big target by U.S. enemies.  There's a lot that foreign enemies could do to the U.S. just by destroying these two cities.  AlaGuy 23:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh I can easily see how or why an enemy of the United States could target the area. I'm very well aware of how much (and how important) the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area is to the nation's defense and space programs.  I'm not so much questioning the "fact" that Huntsville-Decatur is a target rich environment as I am the specific claim of "red star" designation and the fourth highest target on the Soviet list.  I'd like to see some form of source for that claim.  Runwolf 21:04, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and tagged the claim with a fact tag. Reading the Wiki policeies, this seemed appropriate. I hope I haven't stepped on any toes. The information seems correct, just needs a source. Runwolf 21:31, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Decatur Info
I'm guessing the Decatur info was deleted because it was not germane to the article on Huntsville. I had noticed it was inappropriate, but had not taken the time to delete it myself. We can discuss it here and avoid an edit war before we revert it. In additon, as it sits now, it has errors in it.Tarnation 18:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the paragraph should be taken out. This info would be better in the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area article. Also, I have never heard of Huntsville and Decatur being called "sister cities" or "twin cities." Huntsville89 21:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've heard them referred to as twin cities many times. Not just in Decatur.  Actually I've heard it said more in Huntsville than over the river.  That's why I put it there.  Other cities have done it.  Just because Decatur and Huntville are a smaller form, doesn't make it any less important.  It's almost as if, by taking the info out, you're saying that Decatur doesn't help or hurt Huntsville.  No matter how you spin it, neither could survive with out the other.  I see it as a continuation of the description of the CSA.  No offense Huntsville89, but, just because you haven't heard it, doesn't mean that people don't say it.  It's happened to me too.  I hadn't EVER heard Decatur called "D-rock" until I got to high school.  Then it was just,..., everywhere.  Anyways, Wikipedia gives the definition of twin cities: two towns or cities that are geographically close to each other, and often referred to collectively.  They are more often than not refferred (sp?) to collectively, most people in Decatur don't even realize that they live in a separate metro.  They are close to eachother.  They both also benefit from development in the other city.  I think that something about the two being "twin cities" should be mentioned in the opening paragraph.  Maybe just a sentence: "The city of Decatur and Huntsville are sometimes considered twin cities." or "Huntsville's neighboor Decatur is sometimes considered a twin city because the cities benefit from growth in either town."  Just something like that.  As for putting it in the CSA article.  The article is virtually saying that the two are twin cities in an expanded form.  Ask your parents, or elders, the cities have grown up together, helped eachother out, and constructed joint projects all through history.  I don't see how they CAN'T be twin cities.Final Statement - keep, shorten it, change wording, etc...  The info should be there, the article has nothing to lose by having it there.  Just because a few people don't hear it being said around town does not mean it isn't said or believed.  The article gains more, people will be interested when they find out that there is a city that benefits from Huntsville as well as Huntsville benefits from that other city's growth.  When people in neighbooring regions think of where maybe Athens or Madison is, they say the Huntsville-Decatur area.  AlaGuy 00:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've lived in the Huntsville-Decatur Area all of my life, and the local news constantly and persistantly refer to the area as the "Huntsville-Decatur" Area. Furthermore, the current page shows Huntsville's sister city as Tianan, Taiwan, which is just silly; probably a vandalization.  Regardless, as a city in Alabama is most obviously not a sister city with a Taiwanese city, I'm going to revert this back to Decatur, Alabama.  Christopher M. Goff


 * Wow, maybe you don't know but, sister cities are supposed to be international. Don't think I shoulda put "sister city" in that paragraph.  Even by some odd way Decatur was a sister city of Huntsville, where did you get that year??????  AlaGuy 03:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you causing a change on one Wikipedia entry based only upon the evidence provided in another? If you are, keep in mind that no link on that page, nor the Town twinning page has any external link associating Huntsville and Tianan.  Infact, the Sister Cities International link shows various sister cities for Tianan, and Huntsville isn't one of them.  I'm not going to delete the Sister City reference, but I recommend you read that link and decide for yourself.  I didn't realize earlier that Sister City meant what it does, so I understand the change.  I also recommend, if you can find any proof that Tianan is actually a Sister City of Huntsville, that you place some copy of what a Sister City is.  The entry is misleading, or at the very least, strange, and hardly informative or up-to-standards of an encyclopedia article.  Regardless, thanks for catching my mistake.--Goffchr 18:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Tainan, Taiwan really was a sister city of Huntsville in 1986, according to this article. Decatur was never a sister city of Huntsville. Therefore, I'm reverting that edit. Huntsville89 04:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you, lol, cause I didn't know a thing on THAT subject, so, I avoided changing it. AlaGuy 17:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, Huntsville has had various sister cities over the years. Several of the monuments in Big Spring International Park are the result of those associations.  I know the japanesse bridge was a result of one of them.  I think that was the original intention of the park.  Get a sister city, build a monument, move on.  Sister Cities seem to have dropped out of vouge in Huntsville in the late 80s.  Calling Decatur a "sister city" is somewhat misleading, however.  It is more a part of the Huntsville-Decatur metro.  Which is rapidly becoming known as the Huntsville-Decatur-Madison metro as Madison continues to rise in prominance.  I know several newsrooms are considering making the change to that.  But ignoring the importance of Decatur to Huntsville is kinda dumb.  Had Huntsville not gotten the Arsenal, Decatur would be the premier city in North Alabama.  Huntsville is the "big city" by that lucky draw...  a lucky draw that happened because at the time Huntsville was so small.  Runwolf 22:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Do we have any consensus on the Decatur sister cities thing? I've never heard of Decatur being referred to as a sister city of Huntsville (other than when referring to the Huntsville-Decatur area, which should be covered under the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area article. I personally vote for removal of those lines from the intro paragraph. Littlerob1221 20:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Seeing no response since my post more than a month ago, I have removed the info on Decatur from the head of the article. As I said in my comment above, it belongs in the Huntsville-Decatur Combined Statistical Area article. Littlerob1221 17:24, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

I have been a local of Huntsville for 16 years, and am relatively civic-minded. To the best of my recollection, the two cities have never considered themselves twins or equals. During the Civil War, Decatur was the bright star of northern Alabama because of its river trade, but during the Space Race, Huntsville zoomed past while Decatur shrank, a victim of the trucking industry. The two cities do not depend on each other any more than two cities 30 miles apart do. They are in different counties and do not share anything except television and radio broadcast areas. Keneke 15:45, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

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Showing the area
08-August-2007: Many other city articles had been created in a massive push to convert demographic tables into town articles. That was the era of "Wordipedia" (2003-2006) when Wikipedia articles were mostly words. Since Huntsville is a major city in the whole state, an Alabama roadmap has been added noting Huntsville's location, near the Tennessee border, northeast of Decatur, along the Tennessee River, etc. The structure of the text allows the map to be wide, displayed mostly along the Table of Contents, as 310px width, which is a common size in other Alabama articles for rapid redisplay of the cached map-image. The map is relabeled from the US National Atlas of the United States, as a reasonable sized reduction, of those enormous, slow, gargantuan Atlas PNG-format files that crash browsers with many windows open. As a reduced image, there is ample space to add other labels or major suburbs in the Huntsville area, with the luxury to show the whole state, putting perspective on Huntsville's northern location.

Roadmaps are very tedious to create, so Wikipedia had avoided them like the plague, instead using bizarre blank maps and tons of text to convey a "picture" of a town's place in the region. While the world websites have begun showing video-clips, "Wordipedia un-illustrated" was a joke, but at least adding maps can vastly improve the value of WP articles. -Wikid77 08:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Say something first
08-August-2007: The top paragraph of article "Huntsville" had become the typical "has a lot of people, more people live nearby and still more live in the statistical..." (many town articles say that). I inserted a new top paragraph that says something first about the city, as follows:


 * Huntsville is the county seat of Madison County, Alabama. Huntsville is the largest city in northern Alabama in a region of a half-million people, with the city proper having 168,132 residents (2006 estimate). Started in 1805 as Twickenham, the city was renamed to "Huntsville" (after first settler John Hunt) during the War of 1812, and has grown across nearby hills and along the Tennessee River, adding textile mills, then munitions factories, to become a major city, hosting the NASA Marshall Space Flight Center and Redstone Arsenal.

I don't know how many microseconds before that top paragraph gets removed. However, develop a similar intro paragraph and defend it. Don't resort to the "lowest common duh-nominator" by putting a population paragraph. The problem will return, "Too many kooks spoil the broth" so just defend some worthwhile top paragraph and resist the pablum know-nothing wording. I know Wikipedia management is the problem: "the fish rots from the head" and with no head, the body rots like a Wikipedia. However, wikirot can be slowed, by restoring sensible text, until a cure is found for the current Wikipukia disease epidemic. Contact others to fight weak-ipedia and quit wasting valuable talent uploading images or writing articles that are trashed within weeks. -Wikid77 09:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Historic Drought
Should something be added under the climate section about the historic 100 year drought we are currently experiencing? It seems to me to be important enough to be added, although perhaps it should be added when (if?) the drought ends.

Not sure but wanted to bring it up.Runwolf 17:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

The drought is an effect of global warming. It is not going to end, it is going to get worse. Don't spend too much money on new winter clothes. doxTxob \ talk 02:19, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I think it's notable enough to put in there, but I wouldn't include anything about it being caused by global warming. Mainly because there is not real proof that we can provide to support either side on that subject.  Just facts about what the drought has done to the area would be the best thing if a section were to be created. AlaGuy (talk) 06:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Alabamamosaic.org
From a quick check, the website has specific sections that that meet WP:EL concerning additional resources. Here's a link to the Huntsville collection. Any comments to its suitability? Flowanda | Talk 03:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That's better. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 03:24, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Redstone Arsenal during WWII
It wasn't called Redstone Arsenal back then. It was called "Huntsville Arsenal". It wasn't "Redstone Arsenal" until about 1949. Correction. It was three separate facilities (Huntsville Arsenal, Gulf Chemical Warfare Service, and Redstone Munitions Plant, all consolidated into "Redstone Arsenal" in 1943. My bad...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.209.144.16 (talk) 22:40, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Good point. Now it mentions Huntsville Arsenal the first time.  Will let Redstone Arsenal cover those three plants. Thanks for pointing out the mistake. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:17, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

"Huntsville Rewound" as an external link?
There seems to be some confusion on what belongs in the external links section. Someone has been repeatedly putting a website called "Huntsville Rewound" in this section. From what I have seen, the section is reserved for government websites, chambers of commerce, convention and visitors bureaus, etc; not blogs and random websites that might/might not be reliable sources for information about a city. Looks like some random guy's website to me, and doesn't seem to be a reliable source for information about Huntsville. Huntsville89 (talk) 19:25, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


 * The same user started a wiki article on that as well. -Fnlayson (talk) 19:42, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Not bad!
This is not a bad article. Has a lot of good stuff in it. Probably needs a bit more attention on government, though it has good fire and police which a lot of places don't have. If someone would like to take it to FA, it might not be as hard as some (it's never easy! :) Student7 (talk) 21:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Hey, hey.
Who the hell changed the picture from the skyline to a map? I'm not a wiki nerd so I'm not going to go to great lengths to change it back but someone else has to. Jesus doesn't exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.207.195.171 (talk) 22:21, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Notable natives and residents
That section is so messed up. 95% of those people are NOT FUCKING NOTABLE. And I'm allowed to use the word "fucking." It would be much clearer to every person who views that section to see actual notable residents, such as Jimmy Wales and Antoine Dodson. Grouping them in their own unnecessary, big-ass, convoluted, unhelpful, confusing piece of shit article with stub-articled people who nobody's ever heard of, is annoying. Someone wanna fix that? Please? Jkbena612 (talk) 02:05, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that it needs improvement. That could be a good project for someone to work on. Also, see the policy on civility. --BurtAlert (talk) 02:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Notables are trivia anyway, but to point to a category is a bit much, even for an otherwise useless section. Probably should be placed into a List of People from Huntsville stand-alone article. And they are all notable. The one benefit of a category. Student7 (talk) 13:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I changed List of people from Huntsville, Alabama from a redirect to the Huntsville article to a list of people taken from the category. I omitted some of the German scientists that moved to Huntsville and the bands formed their. It's not perfect, but it's a start. --BurtAlert (talk) 02:25, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Far better. Far better indeed. But I still fail to see why literally anyone with a Wikipedia article from Huntsville is notable. I've tried to weed a few people out but it's always reverted back. I must not have enough authority. Jkbena612 (talk) 04:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * At least in principle, people who aren't notable don't get to have Wikipedia articles in the first place — so if there are people being listed here who really, truly aren't notable in any way, then the correct solution is to nominate their articles for deletion. If they're from Huntsville in any non-trivial way and they have a keepable article, they can be listed and/or categorized as such whether you personally care about them or not, because almost every major city in most countries, and a good many minor ones as well, have comparable categories/lists and there's no good reason for Huntsville to be an isolated exception. Bearcat (talk) 23:39, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Agree with Bearcat. Thanks to BurtAlert. A lot of work!
 * My suggestion, while the list is still manageable, is to reclassify by profession. Once it gets really large, nearly impossible to address. An alphabetical list that is large is nearly unreadable. Student7 (talk) 14:24, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreeing with Student7, nobody ever finds what they are searching for through an alphabetical list hundreds of names long. Can someone fix this issue? Jkbena612 (talk) 19:18, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Huntsville Concert Band in Performing Arts Section?
The Huntsville Concert Band was founded in 1963 and plays at many Valley functions, including Memorial Day and Veteran's day functions, Concerts in the park, Honor Flight, and even the recent Medal of Honor celebration at Bridge Street. Should they be included in the Performing Arts section? Their website is huntsvilleband.org. Bwinslett (talk) 23:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

"Boundaries"
I changed the name to suit the WP:TOPIC and moved an older list of suburbs into Huntsville Metropolitan Area where it properly belongs. This is why there are two articles. Other large cities have these as well. Student7 (talk) 22:19, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Good point. Much better place for that info.  I had not thought of the metro article, but I have not been adding stuff that belongs there. :) -Fnlayson (talk) 01:38, 15 June 2011 (UTC)