Talk:Hunza (princely state)

Table with reign and mirs
Please someone repair this table, this looks miserable

People of Hunza Section
This section makes numerous claims that are rather difficult to accept at face value, and the assertion that the Ancient Egyptians were capable of feats modern science cannot duplicate" is, even on its face, utterly ludicrous. It is as if one of those people sending out spam messages offering "miracle diet bread" recipes for "Hunza bread" was taking a role in editing this article. A historical article (which is what this essentially is) needs to be held to a higher standard than one for a artistic or cultural topic. Michael Hopcroft 04:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Not 'Mir of Hunza'
Apropos the letter “Not ‘Mir of Hunza’" by Mrs. Rifat A. Khan of Gilgit, printed in The Daily Times of Pakistan on September 12, 2005. The word "Mir" was derived from the Arabic word "Amir"; it is true that "Mir" denoted the Head of a Tribe, Clan or State.

Dear Friends,

Being a local historain of the valley to some level, I fully understand the causes of the founding of Pakistan and India due to the strong jolts caused to the British Empire by the World WarII. Thus a number of countries got freedom. Subsequently,small semi independent states like Hunza, Qalat,Kalabagh, Bahawalpur,Swat, Chitral,Yasin and Nager were abolished by the then governments in Pakistan. Which is understandable and more practical. But we (People of Hunza) must honour our history,our Mirs, brave and wise ancestors and traditions as well as we should honour our mother country Pakistan, which has achived so much despite the hard situations in the world. Thus WE people of Hunza, honor every human being regradless of his race, belief etc, because we believe in a global brotherhood. YOU ARE ALWAYS WELCOME TO HUNZA…

Ejazbaig Kanjudi Kanjudi@gmail.com Hunza-Baltit

There are Mirs in Balochistan, Sind and in other areas who are called Khan, Nawab and Mir. This has become a family title of the people who had been enjoying leadership and respect of their people. Mrs. Rifat should correct her knowledge about the independence of Hunza and its accession to Pakistan. Nobody fought in Hunza to abolish the princely state. Hunza was a welfare state and had acceded to Pakistan in 1948 after signing a respectable agreement with the Government of Pakistan. No one in Hunza fought to abolish the state. It was few miscreants from Hunza in Karachi who had been bribed to stage a protest in Karachi, 2600 Kms away from Hunza. They did not dare to voice disagreement, as their parents were fed on state welfare in Hunza and the same people (about 15) who protested in Karachi are now living in Hunza and Gilgit are sorry for being part of anti state sloganeers, Hunza State was abolished by Bhutto. Why? There is a big question mark. Certainly the reason is not the people of Hunza fought for. The writer seems to be well informed about capital punishment for using title of Mir as Bhutto and his sons were hanged and killed. Because they were also called Mirs though they did not hold any state. There are numerous Mirs and Nawab in Pakistan who should relinquish their family titles, as some one named Mrs. Rifat wants to punish them for being from respectable families. Mrs Rifat (if it is a true name) seems to have a personal grudge with a Mir; it is advisable to wash your soiled cloths inside your house not in the streets. The Mir Family enjoys respect in Hunza. Mir Ghazanfar is the Deputy Chief of Northern areas Legislative Council. Mir enjoyed a landslide victory in the recent elections.

Nadir Baqai Islamabad. Dated 12th Sept. 2005

Baqai Sahab Whom you call the "few miscreants", were students belonging to Hunza. Who do you think would have staged a rally in Hunza! The unlettered men and women who constantly lived under the fear of the state!

Bhutto finished the state because those liberal students from Hunza had asked him to do so. I am an HUnzai, proudly the grandson of one of those student leaders Gul Muhammad. Today we are happy without the Mirs. Hunza has progressed beyond your imagination. And please look for the definition of the word welfare while telling the tyrranic rule of the Mirs to be a "welfare state".

Noor Muhammad Aazur Giglit gulmitwala@gmail.com

Major overhaul done
I've overhauled the article and changed one of the pictures. I am going to remove the cleanup tag because I think the page looks much better now. Green Giant 02:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

HUNZA "the ultimate manifestation of mountain grandeur"
HUNZA Nestled close to the Chinese border, this immortalized Kingdom lends considerable age to the myths attached to it. Famous for, the longevity of its people, its `Hunza Water`, its fresh fruits, its atmosphere - for almost everything. Which of these rumours is true? Hunza beckons you to find the answer yourself, and it is assured that though you face the road winding under the auspicious Rakaposhi with trepidation, you will return firmly convinced and believing in the majestic wonder that is Hunza.

Though remained important throughout known history for its strategic location, Hunza was first introduced in Europe in modern times, by British officers who traveled in the region in the 19th century. Inspired by the splendour of nature, these missions gave graphic accounts of Hunza in their travelogues and other publications and coined phrases like ‘Shangri-La’ and ‘the most spectacular mountain valley on the earth’. Erec Shipton called Hunza ‘the ultimate manifestation of mountain grandeur’.

Today Hunza is a sub division of Gilgit District with 48000 population. It neighbours Chinese Xinjiang Region and Afghanistan's Wakhan Corridor in the north and runs along the Hunza River originating from Khunjerab, Kilik, Mintika and Shimshal passes. The hospitable and friendly people of Hunza speak three different languages. The aboriginal Burushaski, spoken in central Hunza, is the main language while in lower Hunza, language spoken is Shina and Wakhi, an archaic Iranian language in upper Hunza or Gojal which is also spoken in parts of Xinjiang, Wakhan and Tajikistan. The legendary toughness of the Hunzukuts and their vegetarian diet, has perhaps contributed to the myth of their longevity.

Hunza was an independent state until 1891 when British colonized it. However it remained autonomous in its internal affairs until 1974 when this mountain princely state was abolished and merged with administration of Northern Areas. Spectacular Altit and Baltit forts that stand guard depict its centuries old history. Baltit Fort has been recently opened to visitors after renovation with a collection of local antiques and artifacts displayed in its museum. Baltit renamed as Karimabad, is the capital of former state with commanding views of entire central Hunza. Its terraced fields lined with poplar trees, apricot and apple orchards and irrigation channels along with awe-inspiring views of Rakaposhi, Diran, Golden, Ultar Peaks, present the most magnificent combination of natural and man made beauty.

The perpetual glacier of Rakaposhi on the opposite side gives a majestic appearance and adds thrill of delight that belongs to Hunza. Once in Hunza you can explore the beauty of nature and mythical legends of Hunzokuts walking in the village and trekking to some of its spectacular meadows and glaciers. For further information about Northeran Areas, please visit http://www.hunzaexperience.com/regions.htm

Burushaski language descended from the Ancient Macedonian language
User:Vlatkoto added a sentence about this idea into this Hunza article, but it is a very marginal idea which doesn't even seem to belong in Burushaski language, let alone here. I'm removing the material. Alexander 007 03:26, 17 March 2006 (UTC) Do you have a valid evidence or theory why isn't the statement true? If it is not true, back you despite on facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by L.djinevski (talk • contribs) 17:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The article should be named State of Hunza
The disambig page Hunza should be like this:

Hunza may refer to
 * Hunza Valley <--- should be the main article on Hunza
 * Former State of Hunza <--- Currently this article is named Hunza, Pakistan
 * Hunza River
 * Hunza diet
 * Hunza is the Muisca name of the city of Tunja, Colombia.

Waqas.usman 19:44, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Demographics Section
There is no citation or other references to objective studies supporting the claim that the Hunza people are direct descendants of Alexander the Great. Thanosk488 (talk) 04:03, 8 December 2010 (UTC)Thanosk488 (talk) 02:17, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Hunza State's relations with Qing China and the Republic of China
Secret negotiations between the Mir of Hunza and the Republic of China during the partition of India.

http://books.google.com/books?id=rsLQdBUgyMUC&pg=PA111#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=rsLQdBUgyMUC&pg=PA165#v=onepage&q&f=false

The Mir's envoys to Qing China

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u4E20PJrmpcGgVwqqAl0gKVm6n2ZrMeNBXtozFoG7SI/mobilebasic?pli=1&hl=en_US

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-CyGjPH7c8ubCRGkSfSW-b_iG8tqZku85jcAcsteWE4/mobilebasic?pli=1&hl=en_US

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rqUh1bj_iWQg0t_TxGxDv8ihZ3zM9aD_v6xnHJZXNF0/mobilebasic?pli=1&hl=en_US

Rajmaan (talk) 04:40, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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The map showing the line separating Pakistani and indian forces is biased. It shows the western part as POK when clearly the state and her people acceded to Pakistan voluntarily while the Kashmir state is being occupied and forced upon by an indian occupying army. Can we fix this please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.235.43.28 (talk) 04:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

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