Talk:Hurricane (Bob Dylan song)

NPOV dispute
For a discussion of this NPOV dispute, see Talk:Rubin Carter. Blackcats 19:18, 28 August 2005 (UTC) Why? Is this according to Wiki guidelines? This article should be about the song, not about the factsa of the case. Quite a different topic. Gray62 15:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

The case Rubin Carter may be unclear and disputed, however, Hurricane (song) expresses the views of Bob Dylan on the matter (and one therforem may disagree). The reproduction of such a view is no more than simple fact and I personally don't think there is a case for discussion here. ScroipT 12:46, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

What have y'all done to that article? Imho it is in worse shape than at the time I stopped working on it. Some important information about Dylan's work on the song is gone, and instead some info about the Carter case was inserted, that doesn't belong HERE. Someone here seems to be interested to spread his opinion about Carter, and this led to statements here that directly contradict the infos at the main article (for instance, #3 or #9 contender?). In this state, this article isn't NPOV! I also doubt the wisdom of descussing this article at the Rubin Carter Discussion, this is only messing up the discussion. I for one certainly won't do that, but will state my objections here, where they belong! Gray62 15:48, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

"The strength and majesty of our judicial system is founded on the exposition of the truth through a process of submission of evidence and argument to a body of neutral citizens, and not through a process of imagery conjured by Maddison Avenue public relations and a collection of uninformed celebrities". Hon. Judge Larner, 1975.

I was told once that Dylan stopped performing the song and withdrew his public support after changing his mind about Carter; in the words of the teller "after he found out that Carter was not such a nice guy". Is there any truth to that? I've looked for some source or reference to that effect to no avail. Anazgnos 21:59, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the fact that none of the "celebrities" who initialy supported Carter showed up at the trial, and had all withdrawn their support speaks volumes. And when the movie Hurricane was released, Dylan's fans were screaming out for him to perform it, he never did.

The "not such a nice guy" comment rings a bell, it may be from Behind The Shades by Heylin, but I can't check because I don't have it in my possesion at the moment. Hope this helps. Lion King 16:49, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I find it rather shocking, the quote from Dylan's biographer. If someone has "antagistic rhetoric" this, normally, should not mean he deserves being framed for murder! 2A01:CB08:8BE:AA00:14D6:7808:832B:1608 (talk) 06:30, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

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n-word
if a white guy used the n-word in a song these days, even if it was trying to prove an anti-racism type of point like in this song, he'd be killed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.151.167.253 (talk) 16:34, 28 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The racial revenge theory coming into play? Educated Guest (talk) 23:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Ya, a couple of riots happened when Axl Rose used it in One in a Million! 157.190.228.23 (talk) 18:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

He says "shit" and "son of a bitch" too! Dylan invented gangsta rap!!!! --71.205.219.29 (talk) 08:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Why doesn't Dylan sing it anymore?
Why doesn't Dylan sing this song anymore? Is it perhaps because he believes he was conned by Carter?? I think some explaination for him not singing it in over 20 years should be given, especially given its popularity! 157.190.228.23 (talk) 11:54, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

There is no explanation that can be given, other than he never has, in over 20 years. It may well be very popular with his fans, but maybe he now realises that it is so grossly inaccurate, that he can't possibly perform it? Just a thought. Educated Guest (talk) 00:28, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

I read somewhere that Rubin actually sued Dylan for some stupid reason, can somebody please confirm this? If this is true, then i think it´s pretty obvious why Dylan does not play the song anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codona (talk • contribs) 01:22, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Song length
The article says the song runs for 8 minutes and 33 seconds, but the version I downloaded is almost 10 minutes (9:50). How many different versions are there? Paper Luigi T • C 10:33, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Spotify says that it's 8:32 for me: https://open.spotify.com/track/1lqMLr9Wj7SM2F9AikGcxN Tylercrompton (talk) 03:43, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

YouTube
Very odd. This is about the only well-known song whch seems to be completely unavailable on YouTube. Even uploads of the whole Desire album have this track deleted. Why? Has something happened? Can this be added to the article, whatever it is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.198.151.51 (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Unattributed speaker
"Dylan had written topical ballads such as "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carroll" and Bob wasn't sure that he could write a song [about Carter].... He was just filled with all these feelings about Hurricane. He couldn't make the first step. I think the first step was putting the song in a total storytelling mode. I don't remember whose idea it was to do that. But really, the beginning of the song is like stage directions, like what you would read in a script: 'Pistol shots ring out in a barroom night.... Here comes the story of the Hurricane.' Boom! Titles. You know, Bob loves movies, and he can write these movies that take place in eight to ten minutes, yet seem as full or fuller than regular movies"

This is not attributed to any speaker, as far as I can tell. It's sourced to a book by Clinton Heylin, but is the author publishing formal sentences with "You know,..." in them, or quoting someone else? Joe Suggs (talk) 22:48, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Use of the N word
Shouldn't this be discussed in more depth within the article? Was there no response to the use of the slur? - Bossanoven (talk) 00:59, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

The use in the song was not as a slur from Dylan's point of view, but rather a word placed into the mouths of the black community by Dylan. The entire point of the song is to combat racism after all and I don't feel that one word is at all notable, especially when the date that this song was written is taken into context. 136.167.136.9 (talk) 05:53, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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