Talk:Hurricane Alice (December 1954)

Article naming and confusion
Should be a disambiguation and this should be clearly differentiated (i.e. Hurricane Alice (1954-55)), as it is quite confusing. The article is definitely warranted for this storm but the name should be changed. Agreed? CrazyC83 01:30, 6 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Not really, it's the only notable Alice that I can think of (although the first Alice of 1954 did kill 50 people if I'm not mistaken). Plus Hurricane Alice (1954-55) is extremely awkward to say the least.


 * E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:06, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


 * 1954-55 is clearly wrong...it is is a part of the 54 season so it is Alice (1954). This isn't an issue so long as no other notable Alice hurricanes exist.  The issue of differentiating it from the other Alice (1954) is an uglier one. Jdorje 03:41, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I've moved it to Hurricane Alice (December 1954), the most appropriate titling considering it is theoretically possible that Hurricane Alice (June 1954) will eventually get an article. —Cuiviénen 18:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That sounds best due to the lack of any real options. The June storm should get an article at some point, so some form of disambiguation is required. CrazyC83 15:38, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps Hurricane Alice and Hurricane Alice (1954) should be redirected to Tropical Storm Alice? Hurricanehink ( talk ) 15:49, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

What more is there?
This was suggested for a Portal:Tropical cyclones featured article. However there's not very much info about it at all. Can we find any more interesting information to add here? I don't really have any suggestions however. Jdorje 06:26, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I have a couple of ideas, but none of them are imperative. First, we could mention how rare December and January storms are, saying there have only been 8 storms forming in December in history, and that 4 storms reached hurricane intensity during December. Likewise, you could say Alice was the only tropical storm during the month of January, though a subtropical storm formed in 1978. Also, you could mention that elsewhere in the world trans-calendar year storms aren't as rare. For example, there have been 6 in the WPAC in the last 60 years, and because our winter is their summer, the Southern Hemisphere has had 11 since 1996. That might be relevant to the article, but I can't think of anything to add to this. Hurricanehink 14:53, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Even in the Southern Hemisphere, December is basically equal to our June, so it is far from the peak of the season there. CrazyC83 18:26, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Huh?
"This information was often sketchy; two cyclones, including a Category 2 hurricane, went undetected in 1954." If they went undetected, how do we know they existed? Clarify please. --Golbez 04:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)


 * They were undetected operationally, but in post-analysis ship reports confirmed a tropical cyclone. Hurricanehink 06:15, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

This is pre-NHC....
Ummm.. the storm history says "The NHC started advisories..." however National Hurricane Center says the NHC was not formed until 1967...--Nilfanion (talk) 22:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No idea. Question though, if the NHC began in 1967, then how could the NHC have summaries back to 1958? Also, who would decide on the naming of the storm before the NHC? Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I looked at a random example - Debra (1963). The report is by "Department of Commerce: Weather Bureau" - and according to the NOAA FAQ they were the people who named.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:17, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, that looks good. That should be in there, if anything. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 13:21, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

The only?
In your first sentense you say Hurricane Alice "was the only hurricane in the history of the Atlantic basin known to span two calendar years". But, as you later mention, is'nt Tropical Storm Zeta another one? Zeta also formed in the Atlanic Basin. 68.112.238.11 17:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Tropical Storm Zeta did not reach hurricane strength so while both storms have existed in 2 years, only Alice was a hurricane in 2 years as Zeta was only a tropical storm (ie weaker).--Nilfanion (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Consumer price index in 1954-55
Someone incorrectly stated that $100,000 in 1954-55 was worth $6.9 million in 2005! While inflation has indeed been horrible, things haven't been that terrifying. Looking up the consumer price index for the years in question, it seems that things cost 6.85 times what they did then (1954 = 80.5; 2005 = 552; measured in 1967 dollars), so I've corrected the present value to $690,000.

Whether the CPI overstates inflation is, of course, another matter! Heian-794 18:48, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, that's my fault. I used the deflation calculator, and I thought there was one more decimal place than there actually was. That day I added a lot of money values, and most were at least 1 million. Good catch. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:35, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

GA on hold
There are just a few small things that need to be fixed. I am testing out a new, more formal review system, and I would appreciate it if you could tell me what you think about it. Anyways, here is my review summary, section-by-section:

Infobox
Overall quality (prose, formatting, etc): Excellent
 * No problems.

Lead
Overall quality: Excellent
 * Summarizes the article well, no problems.

Storm history
Overall quality: Excellent
 * No problems.

Impact, Naming, and Records
Overall quality: Very good
 * "the U.S. Weather Bureau Office in San Juan, Puerto Rico warned the islands of the northern Lesser Antilles for strong winds and rough seas" should be "the U.S. Weather Bureau Office in San Juan, Puerto Rico warned the islands of the northern Lesser Antilles to prepare for strong winds and rough seas", in my opinion, as the former sentence above seems awkward somehow.
 * "Alice was the latest tropical cyclone ever to form in the Atlantic". At first, I thought that "latest" meant the most recent hurricane to form, but I quickly corrected myself.  Perhaps you could reword this so that people know that this means "latest in a hurricane season", rather than "most recent hurricane".  I realize that this sounds silly, considering that the hurricane formed in 1954, but if had that thought, who else might?

GA passed
Thanks for making the changes. There were a few other minor things I spotted, so I just fixed them myself. Congrats, Green451 02:59, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Then why the article is still ranked at start class?Storm05 18:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

GA Sweeps Review: Pass
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Meteorology and atmospheric sciences" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I have made several minor corrections throughout the article. Altogether the article is well-written and is still in great shape after its passing in 2006. Continue to improve the article making sure all new information is properly sourced and neutral. It would be beneficial to go through the article and update all of the access dates of the inline citations and fix any dead links. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have updated the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! --Nehrams2020 (talk) 21:25, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Two calendar years vs hurricane seasons
The article previously stated that the hurricane was in two hurricane seasons - this is incorrect. If there was a defined breakpoint between hurricane seasons (and there isn't), it would be sometime in March. So, while Alice did last into 1955, it did not make it to the 1955 hurricane season. Same is true of Zeta. Ego White Tray (talk) 14:58, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * By definition, Alice wasn't in any hurricane season, since it formed outside of the boundaries that the NHC has set (June to November). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:24, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 28 April 2017

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 04:39, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

Hurricane Alice (December 1954) → Hurricane Alice – It's seemed to be a primary topic for me - Why? When compared to other storms using this name in the Atlantic, i can say even the June version of this storm is more larger in the page bytes than this one, this incarnation of the storm is very notable for being formed very early (it's the earliest) in the season. Using the Wikimedia's Pageviews tool, when compared to other storms using this name (in Atlantic!) this one trumped another incarnations of the storms using this name. I cannot say anything than just move this page into without the years. NOTE: If this request got a consensus that results in a move, i would like for June version to be moved into Hurricane Alice (1954), but i think this move will be very controversial (since due to the fact that are two Alices in this year rather than one Alice). So, i might doubt that it will be moved same time as this incarnation does. Anyways, Thanks! SMB99thx XD (contribs) 10:45, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

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 * Oppose not clear cut enough, given Alice 54 actually impacted land and 79 version was a typhoon that probably should have an article. YE Pacific Hurricane  20:08, 28 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Oppose - No way to be sure one is clearly more notable than the other.&mdash; CycloneIsaac ( Talk ) 18:02, 29 April 2017 (UTC)

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