Talk:Hurricane Bertha (1996)

Merge
Skin and bones article, this one has no future. Merge it with 1996AHS. There is no info here that couldn't be easily explained in the main article. -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 22:44, 20 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I gotta disagree with this one too, although my disagreement is PoV since where I live the storm was pretty notable. I'll agree that it needs more info. Jdorje 09:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

See for instance. Jdorje 09:21, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Okay, I expanded the impact section so it's balanced. I'm now fully in favor of keeping the article. Jdorje 10:02, 21 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Unless anyone still objects I will remove the merge template. Jdorje 16:30, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Go for it. This article should stay. Hurricanehink 16:41, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Major hurricane
From the tcr:


 * Bertha was the first major hurricane to make landfall in North Carolina in 40 years.

Now I'm not entirely sure what this means but I'm positive it's not true.


 * Bertha obviously wasn't a major hurricane at landfall, but it was a major hurricane and it did make landfall in NC. The NHC often seems to call a hurricane major if it was Cat3 at any point during its lifetime (which is logical when you consider these storms often still pack quite a punch even after they weaken; e.g., Hurricane Isabel), so the sentence "major hurricane to make landfall" is correct.
 * However it wasn't the first such in 40 years; see Hurricane Diana (1984) for instance.

Jdorje 16:59, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Where does it say that? The Tropical cyclone report from the NHC website? Hurricanehink 17:08, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Oops, it's not from the TCR, it's from . "First major hurricane in 40 years to directly hit North Carolina." Jdorje 17:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * OK. I don't think they're right. It wasn't a major, and you are correct about Diana. I don't know what they are talking about. Hurricanehink 17:25, 24 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I think it was a major. When they say a major hurricane hits, they don't necessarily mean it was major when it hit.  It's not the same thing as saying you were hit by a category 3 hurricane.  A major hurricane is one that was category 3 or higher at any point in its lifetime.  You can see this in Part 2, #12, at, although they leave out Bertha there.  Jdorje 17:58, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Todo
For a non-retired hurricane I think this ariticle is "good enough"; i.e., B-class. Things to add would be impact pictures, inline sources, and more impact (the current impact section comes straight from the TCR, but more detail would be possible from news sources I imagine). Jdorje 21:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

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Requested move 31 March 2018
Hurricane Bertha (1996) → Hurricane Bertha – By far the most significant storm named Bertha in the Atlantic basin, which also happens to be the only basin this name has been used in. It was both an Atlantic major hurricane (in July, a month that rarely sees major hurricanes) and a rather destructive tropical cyclone. Based on these factors, I think Hurricane Bertha of 1996 can be the primary topic. CooperScience (talk) 22:42, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose – 2008 incarnation was also a July major, so that use of a fact is invalid and in this case 335 million is nowhere near notable. --MarioProtIV (talk/contribs) 23:33, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose: 2008's has broken some records, like easternmost forming TC. The 2014's also has some damage in the landmass. This storm was not notable compare with them. --B dash (talk) 03:23, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose per above. I'm still not sure people realize this was reserved for extreme cases. Not storms slightly more memorable than the other incarnations? YE Pacific Hurricane  03:51, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose – YE echoes my sentiments. WikiProject Tropical cyclones practice has been to only remove years from storms that have been retired or are exceedingly significant (not only when compared with other storms of the same name but also very significant on their own right).  TheAustinMan (Talk·Works) 15:04, 1 April 2018 (UTC)