Talk:Hurricane Bill (2009)/Archive 1

NY preps
...are a bit out of context I think. The source implies that the preparations were taken in response to hurricane season in general, not Hurricane Bill specifically. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 10:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the wording makes sense now. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 11:36, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I little expand
This article is good so far, but I think the Meteorological history should be expanded because it is long lived and pretty strong. --  Anh ' ami ' rak    02:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It'll be expanded as new information becomes available. Bill is a fairly straightforward storm; it formed, strengthened, and will inevitably weaken. There's not a lot to write about it, at least in terms of meteorological history. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:09, 20 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Its a lot that could be write, its convections, subtropical ridges, dry airs, warm waters and more. HurricaneSpin Talk My contributions 18:59, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Expand track map
If Bill is going to continue its course the track map of Bill will need to be expanded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12george1 (talk • contribs)
 * It will be expanded out when it is next updated, hopefully not before the tracks are brought up to date for the WPAC.Jason Rees (talk) 12:15, 22 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Bah, the most important storm gets the first update :P Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Meteorological history
I'm not sure if the last few lines are correct. It says Bill's nearing tropical storm wind speed, but Bill is still a solid Category 1 likely to hit Nova Scotia at that strenght. Wonderworld1995268 (talk) 02:17, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Removed, as it seems to be WP:OR. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:21, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

PD Picture
Before I bother uploading this PD image I found, I was wondering if there would be any use for it. Here is the image which shows two people and dog after getting rescued off of Cape Cod after getting rescued from the water. However it never explicitly says that this was at all related to Hurricane Bill. However a secondary source explains, "On Saturday afternoon, the Coast Guard rescued two people and their dog after waves pushed their boat aground near Hull, Massachusetts." So do you think this image is usable? - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 14:16, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if it's usable but I don't think it really adds much to the article, an image of the waves would be much more useful. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess your right, its always helpful to have an image or two showing what the Conditions were like. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 14:30, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I disagree; I think it would be an interesting addition to the article. It appears to be in the PD, so go for it. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 15:32, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Well if there is ever a need for it, I have uploaded it to Commons at Hurricane Bill CoastGuard rescue.jpg. - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 18:01, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Approaching any record for it's latitude?
Currently at 47.1°N as of 11pm ADT 8/23/09, I have tried searching if this is close to any records for the most northern tropical system. I've found that Hurricane Luis's position was 51.5N when it was first reported extratropical, but the last position as a tropical storm was also at 47.1N. All I seem to find are records for the most northern cyclogenesis. Any help? IBstupid (talk) 04:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hurricane Faith currently holds the record for northernmost extratropical transition, maintaining tropical characteristics until 62.6°N Cyclonebiskit (talk) 04:28, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Somewhat off topic, but I feel this storm will be regarded as a "textbook" storm for years. Strengthened slowly but steadily to a cat 4, then we saw the effects of shear and a trough on it. It curved where it was supposed to, transitioned to extratropical right at the normal latitude. I dunno, just felt it had to be said. NHC will tout their forecasting accuracy and use this storm to say how awesome they are... in reality it just was easy to predict, followed climatology. They're generally terrible in the 3-5 day range, and often pretty far off in 1-3. Also, they don't name storms just because they're off season or in a weird spot. See 90L and 92L(before it was declared) in late may. -Winter123 (talk) 21:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Please keep your comments on the subject of the article as this is not a blog or forum to discuss your personal opinion, thanks. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Remnants slam England
Is it worth putting down that the renmants are forcasted to cause heavy surf and lots of rain in England? Knowledgekid87 (talk) 12:36, 25 August 2009 (AT)


 * There not forecasted - Its [happening now] so yeah. Jason Rees (talk) 16:40, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I added the info in Meteorological history, a section might want to be made for Europe if it has a huge impact. Knowledgekid87 (talk) 13:04, 25 August 2009 (AT)
 * Weather forecast from Europe for tommorow from the University of Berlin. --   Anh ' ami ' rak    17:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Talk of its impact being added is a little premature when it hasn't even reached the UK/Ireland yet, it's currently looking unlikely to be anything worse than a bit wet and rainy so surely hyperbole about heavy rain, surf and widespread gales should be removed until the actual event has occurred?Mrpsb (talk) 19:42, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It has reached the area. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 19:45, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The impact was little more than a normal low pressure system by the time it reached the UK, it was a bit grey and rainy with a bit of a breeze, that is all. Despite that being boring, it is what actually happened, and should be updated as such.Mrpsb (talk) 21:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There was a little bit more for example flood watches but we have to wait untill more details come available.Jason Rees (talk) 22:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

More Coast Guard Pics
Okay I found more PD Coast Guard Pics, these detail the rescue of the people who got swept off by the rouge wave (the one that killed the 7-yr old). These are obviously unique pictures detailing the storms most notable event in the US, and its shear wave strength. Here are links to the images,. I am not comfortable uploading these unless other editors see the need, so what do you think? - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 01:23, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead and upload them. Even if they're not used in this particular article, they'd be a useful addition to Commons. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:35, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay they are at Commons, although I did accidentally upload one of the files with a bad name the first time at File:Sar case PIW 168.jpg so Julian if it hasn't been deleted already by the time you see this could you please delete it. Thanks - Marcusmax  ( speak ) 02:34, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, ✅. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 02:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

US centered
I don't want to be too critical but there is a lot of details about the US minor impacts while that country was not touched directly by the storm and very little about Bermuda, who was more close to the path, and Canada that was directly hit. Pierre cb (talk) 10:59, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm aware of that. I can't really do much about it because the impacts in Bermuda were minor and not many news reports have been written about it and I can't find much for Canada. The US is giving a lot of coverage due to the fatalities and extent of the affected areas. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:00, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

86 ft waves?
Am I the only one who sees this as a tad bit incredulous? There is no source to confirm this, and if waves were that tall, I am pretty sure it would've made national news.--Vox Rationis (Talk | contribs)
 * 86 feet is not by any means unprecedented. Hurricane Ivan in 2004 caused 100 ft waves. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 17:41, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected, thanks for providing a source!--Vox Rationis (Talk | contribs) 10:53, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Size records
Hi. At one point, I think I remember Bill being larger than Ike was when Bill was in the open Atlantic and Ike was in the Gulf of Mexico. The storm, however, may not have been at peak intensity, so it might not have been as large in terms of closed isobars. Are there any such records for Bill? Thanks. ~ A H  1 (TCU) 19:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't find anything that supports this, maybe in post-season review they'll say but most sources only say wind field. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:53, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

NCDC reports for United States
Just making them easy to find for later.
 * 1) Massachusetts Tropical Storm
 * 2) Massachusetts Flood
 * 3) Delaware High Surf
 * 4) Delaware Rip Current
 * 5) Florida High Surf
 * 6) Florida High Surf
 * 7) Florida High Surf
 * 8) Florida High Surf (Fatality)
 * 9) Georgia Rip Current
 * 10) North Carolina Coastal Flood
 * 11) North Carolina Coastal Flood
 * 12) North Carolina Rip Current
 * 13) New Jersey High Surf
 * 14) New Jersey Rip Current
 * 15) Rhode Island Coastal Flood
 * 16) Rhode Island Rip Current
 * 17) New Hampshire Flood
 * 18) New Hampshire Flash Flood
 * 19) New Hampshire Flash Flood
 * 20) Maine High Surf (Fatality)

Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this! I'll take a stab at it eventually. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 14:38, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Quick notes about US impact
Making some notes for later...
 * The section needs to be organized in an understandable fashion, right now it's jumping randomly from state to state.
 * Some references are dead and need to be replaced
 * NCDC info needs to be added (from above links).

Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:30, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Cloudsat imagery
This image (at right) is pretty cool. Any chance of incorporating it into the article? -Atmoz (talk) 22:15, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Rapid Intensification
Hurricane Bill never underwent official "rapid deepening"; using the term "rapid intensification" implies as much and should be avoided for this cyclone. The largest pressure drop within the 24-hour time frame was 24 mb from 16/1800 UTC to 17/1800 UTC —Preceding unsigned comment added by Timtrice (talk • contribs) 12:35, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, the NHC did say it did here.  Darren 23 Edits 02:40, 4 April 2010 (UTC)