Talk:Hurricane Bud (2018)

To do
Sources for impact:, , , , (Arizona), NHC advisories for TS warnings/watches. ~ KN2731 {t · c} 05:32, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Bud’s comparison image
Man I really love that image, it’s humorous and all but I think we need to get a more serious image instead because you know, it’s Wikipedia. Xyklone (talk) 09:57, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

I think it is closer to peak intensity. 16:37, 25 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandoncyclone (talk • contribs)

GAN
I'm the largest contributor to this article. That being said, has expressed intention to improve the article to GA status, and I don't plan on editing it any time soon, so that's fine by me. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk · contributions) 00:26, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Pre FAC review

 * Link C4 hurricane in the opening
 * Done. Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * In the 2nd lead sentence, maybe specify the wave emerging from western Africa? It's a big continent
 * Added. Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I feel like it's extraneous to mention the wave moving over northern South America in the lead
 * Cut that. Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Could you indicate what a major hurricane is?
 * Added a note. Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Link upwelling
 * Oops, forgot to do that in the lead. Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Perhaps add something to the sentence when it opens up into a trough, something remnants and the southwest US?
 * Added a tidbit. Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The first two sentences of the lead both start with "Bud [verbed]". Could you change up the writing for one of them?
 * Fixed. Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "off-shore" - or "offshore"?
 * Fixed. Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "hundreds of vehicles were inundated and/or swept away, and a mall was flooded after a canal overflowed" - IDK if "and/or" is proper. Also, the mall bit should be split off, so there's just one sentence about the mall and its damage. Further, the rest of the article mentions both pesos and USD, so I'd do the same here.
 * I saw read up that and/or is a common day usage that shouldn't be used in any kind of writing period (both formal and informal). It became commonly used as a result of laziness. The rest is fixed too. Noah Talk 02:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "94 houses and 27 businesses were also flooded. " - don't start a sentence with a number. Also, is this from the canal flooding in Guadalajara?
 * Clarified it and made it less specific. Noah Talk 02:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Ninety passengers had to be evacuated from a train after it became submerged in floodwaters." - is this also Guadalajara?
 * It is so. Noah Talk 02:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "In Guerrero state, hundreds of grocery stores and homes were flooded." - so not other types of buildings, just homes and grocery stores?
 * Changed to just say hundreds of businesses and homes. Noah Talk 01:37, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Around 123 businesses in Pie de la Cuesta were damaged by strong waves. " - 123 is awfully exact for "around"
 * Changed to say over 100. Noah Talk 01:37, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "sixty homes " --> "60"
 * Done. Noah Talk 01:37, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * In general, the lead is awfully specific about a few examples of the storm's effects. That makes sense if most of the damage occurred in one or two cities. It just stood out to me.
 * Most of the major damage/impact occurred in just a few areas. Would you have any recommendations for this? Noah Talk 21:17, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "The system had minimal thunderstorm activity or convection" - the "or" here implies that had either/or, not that convection is a synonym for thunderstorm activity
 * Removed the thunderstorm reference. Noah Talk 02:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "The wave tracked over northern South America and entered the Eastern Pacific Ocean late on June 6." - this should be rewritten so the implication isn't that on June 6 both events happened (unless it went from Columbia to across Central America in a single day)
 * Added later. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * It's weird in the MH that it goes from 6/6, to 6/4, to 6/7.
 * Moved the 6/4 up. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "were located over the western United States and/or Mexico" - I don't think the "or" is needed, and again, I don't think it's formal/proper
 * Removed the or. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "and a minimum central pressure of 943 mbar (27.8 inHg) " - both the lead and the infobox is more specific with the rounding for inHg
 * I had to set it to have 4 sigfigs for some reason. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Bud slowed down significantly while traversing a region of cooler sea surface temperatures and ocean heat content near zero" - the last part seems like it could be scary to a non-expert. It also has no context for what zero is. I don't think the bolded part is needed, but if you do, try reworking it.
 * Even though it played a role in weakening the storm, it is too technical for the layman so it is removed. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "The mid and low-levels, with the former traveling quickly to the northeast and the former over the Gulf of California and northwestern Mexico" - I believe this should be "mid- and low-levels", since mid also describes levels. Also, is this the right type of dash used? Also, two "former"s?
 * Yes, it is a simple hyphen for this. I meant to say the former and the latter so it is now fixed. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "became a post-tropical cyclone around 12:00 UTC on June 15 while located about 140 mi (220 km) south-southwest of Huatabampito, Mexico" - is that city Huatabampo by chance? I wanted to check, since it was a redlink (which isn't too useful when referring to distances). If not, maybe say the Sonoran coast or something more tangible.
 * Looks like it is a suburb or something of a similar nature. Linked per that. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 00:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * When you mention the watch/warnings, could you add more of a location reference? Just having the cities doesn't say much if people have an idea of what western Mexico is like. Something like "warning from X cities along the Baja California peninsula"
 * I already mentioned the southwestern coast of Mexico and Baja California Sur for two of them. I added location for the additional warnings. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:32, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * The order of color alerts is odd. I'd imagine you'd list from lowest to highest, unless there's some other order?
 * I grouped them by state/area. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "In Baja California Sur, 167 shelters were established with a combined capacity of 29,500 people and another 113 shelters were able to hold up to 54,000 residents in total." - just to clarify, by "were able to", does that mean the additional shelters were on standby? If they weren't used, I don't think they need to be mentioned so specifically, maybe just "with additional shelters capable of being set up". Or did the "in total" mean across Mexico? Now I'm confused
 * I merged the 167 and 113 to get 280 shelters. Also merged the 29.5k and 54k to get 83.5k people. I did this to condense the statement and make it less confusing. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Medical services were provided at shelters in the Los Cabos municipality by the Mexican and state governments." - is this unusual? I'd imagine most government shelters have some sort of first aid.
 * From the way the article read, the gov't/organizations had to work to achieve adequate medical care at shelters. Thus it appears this is unusual. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * I get the peak rainfall total in the first impact paragraph, but why the other two?
 * They are the top 3 highest rainfall totals throughout Mexico and the only three reported ones. Given the lack of exact totals from other areas, I saw no harm in including them. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Parks and Gardens personnel used chainsaws to clear roads after multiple trees fell and blocked them." - why is "Gardens" capitalized? Is this some unit?
 * It was just written with "Parks and Gardens" capitalized in Spanish. It must be some kind of local unit, but not much is specified. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Four trees fell in the towns of Naranjo, Salagua, Santiago, and Nuevo Cuyutlán" - is that four trees per town?
 * Clarified. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 01:17, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * In Guerrero, why aren't the shelter stuff in the preps section?
 * Moved the one... looks like the other was during the storm so it isn't a prep. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 22:34, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Floodwaters inundated an unknown number of residences in the town of Petalco. "
 * Removed that portion. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 00:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Four species of fish died off in the Laguna Negra of Puerto Marques after sewage contaminated the waters following heavy rainfall from Bud." - did the four species go extinct? This sentence seems odd. I suggest starting like "Waters contaminated with sewage killed fish in the Laguna Negra of Puerto Marques."
 * The proper term for this is a die-off. I have reworded it. Keep in mind there are major differences between a die-off and mass mortality event (ie extinction). <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 00:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "The waves swept away furniture and caused the short-circuiting of electrical components, almost killing a family." - just gonna leave that there?
 * Reworded that part of the sentence. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 00:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * What are " palapas"?
 * Added a brief explanation of what they are based on the WP article. There is a dictionary definition for it as well. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 00:54, 29 November 2020 (UTC)


 * What are " M1 trucks"?
 * From what I could find, it looks to be something like utility truck/vehicle. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Torrential rains caused flooding on the Ermita Iztapalapa road until its intersection with Ignacio Zaragoza, inundating dozens of vehicles and entrapping the passengers. Local authorities rescued people from their vehicles. At the intersection itself, a patch of flooding at least 330 ft (100 m) long and 1 ft (0.3 m) deep occurred after rainfall caused raw sewage to overflow from drains." - this seems like a lengthy way of describing flooded roads. I'm not disputing the content, but I think it could be condensed a smidge
 * Condensed it a bit. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Heavy rainfall generated currents that swept away a child who was crossing a road in the city." - was this one of the deaths related to the storm?
 * Yes, it was. Bud pasa por México sin causar daños, pero lluvias dejan un muerto en la capital and CNN espanol attributes the rains to Bud. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)


 * "Schools in La Paz and Los Cabos were set to resume on June 18" - did they? I only ask because the wording says "were set to resume". If unsure, I think the article could do without it.
 * Removed that bit. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 21:40, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

Overall it's a solid article. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:38, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
 * For the damage, you might wanna try AON, if they have anything. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 00:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I think I have either replied to or fixed every issue. <span style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#009200 0.3em 0.4em 1.0em,#009200 -0.2em -0.2em 1.0em;color:#009200">Noah Talk 02:26, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Noah! It looks good. ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 14:16, 29 November 2020 (UTC)