Talk:Hurricane Dennis/Archive 1

Track image
For the love of Jimbo, please be sure to upload over the old one instead of creating a new image. We don't need to leave old forecasts littered in the image namespace like some people did last year. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 7 July 2005 22:37 (UTC)
 * That's why I gave it a generic name, and mentioned that people should look to the upload log for the version info. I took that from Image:Ivan 2004 Track.gif which had about 30 different uploads under that same name, so this system works.


 * And I'm going to steal that phrase now. *waves his hand in a J formation* --Golbez July 7, 2005 22:43 (UTC)


 * I'm being preemptively pissed off at the people who don't follow your lead. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 7 July 2005 22:44 (UTC)


 * On the image uploads, not the J thing. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 01:57 (UTC)

www.wunderground.com has a updated Track image. --Wimtennis2005 8 July 2005 18:30 (UTC)


 * Which we can't use. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 19:10 (UTC)


 * What is the rule there? Is it that the NOAA images are considered free use?  I've been kinda wondering (espcially since I've been one of the ones guilty of snatching up the picture for in here).  Donovan Ravenhull 9 July 2005 02:15 (UTC)


 * NOAA imagery, as works of United States federal government employees while carrying out their official duties, is public domain. Good ethics to say where you got the pictures from, but there's no copyright attached. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 02:40 (UTC)


 * That's why I love the gov: free images for Wikipedia. ;) -- tomf688 (talk) July 9, 2005 03:48 (UTC)

Can a non-admin write over an existing image? Because NOAA has released a new track image (5PM EDT) and the one we have is now outdated (11AM EDT). -- Titoxd 02:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

--- Maybe we should use |this "swath" image when the storms fizzle out. I'd upload it myself but I don't want to log in on this computer. 69.216.140.110

Discussion
Cyrius, the reason I put that link back was to have a reference link when the storm was over saying "look, everyone was evacuated". I'm learning from the failed nomination of Ivan and trying to keep as many reference links as possible. However, since NOAA didn't issue the evac order - the state or county did, presumably - then that's not the best option. So yeah, no problem with removing it, I just wanted to make it clear I wasn't being belligerent. :)

Now, on the storm, here's snippets from the latest advisory: HURRICANE FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 45 MILES... 75 KM... FROM THE CENTER...AND TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS EXTEND OUTWARD UP TO 140 MILES...220 KM. SANTIAGO DE CUBA RECENTLY REPORTED SUSTAINED WINDS OF 58 MPH WITH A GUST TO 80 MPH.

DENNIS IS EXPECTED TO PRODUCE TOTAL RAINFALL ACCUMULATIONS OF 5 TO 10 INCHES OVER HAITI...JAMAICA...CUBA...AND THE CAYMAN ISLANDS. ISOLATED MAXIMUM AMOUNTS OF 15 INCHES ARE POSSIBLE OVER THE SIERRA MAESTRA MOUNTAINS OF SOUTHEASTERN CUBA. THESE RAINS COULD PRODUCE LIFE-THREATENING FLASH FLOODS AND MUD SLIDES.

STORM SURGE FLOODING OF 5 TO 7 FEET ABOVE NORMAL TIDE LEVELS... ALONG WITH LARGE AND DANGEROUS BATTERING WAVES...ARE LIKELY IN AREAS OF ONSHORE WINDS ALONG THE SOUTHEAST COAST OF CUBA EAST OF CABO CRUZ. A MUCH LARGER STORM SURGE OF NEAR 20 FEET IS POSSIBLE ALONG THE SOUTHERN COAST OF CUBA WEST OF CABO CRUZ. A STORM SURGE OF 3 TO 6 FEET IS POSSIBLE IN THE LOWER FLORIDA KEYS. REPEATING THE 8 PM EDT POSITION...19.4 N... 77.1 W. MOVEMENT TOWARD...NORTHWEST NEAR 15 MPH. MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...130 MPH. MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE... 951 MB.

-- Golbez July 7, 2005 23:49 (UTC)


 * The content at the link wasn't permanent, and would be replaced by any future Hurricane Local Statement. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 01:33 (UTC)

It is very unusual to have such a strong hurricane so early in the hurricane season (I mean, we're drawing comparisons to Hurricane Audrey 48 years ago!) -- in my spare time I'd write more about the reasons that Dennis is so strong, but I tend to be very wordy. Someone with a better historical perspective want to take a shot at this? :) ---Rob 8 July 2005 17:28 (UTC)

Is the image found here useful for our purposes? As in which areas could potentially be affected by the storm? -- Titoxd 9 July 2005 07:12 (UTC)


 * No. First, they overlay all active storms on those maps. Second, it's another thing that would need updating. And third, they're not even working right now. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 15:53 (UTC)

Infobox
Note that there are a lot of variables included, since we don't know what the death toll, damage figures (although I am guessing in the billions), maximum winds, date of death (when it dissipates or is no longer causing damage) or the exact territories affected (that list is based on the current track but can be changed).

CrazyC83 8 July 2005 00:28 (UTC)


 * Given that we can't fill in any of the real boxes yet, let's not be in a hurry. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 01:34 (UTC)


 * That's why I think we should leave it right there, and fill them in right there. Only when we get a full list of preliminary numbers (and the storm passes) should we put it on the page itself. CrazyC83 8 July 2005 02:09 (UTC)

I've seen better pictures than that. OSEI has a good one the one on the NRLMY site is not bad. 

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 8 July 2005 17:18 (UTC)


 * The death date should be listed as one of the following: If the storm is in the open water, the date it becomes extratropical. If the storm is on land, the date of death should be either the date it leaves land while extratropical, or the date that the storm (including its remnant low) is no longer causing any real damage as a system (which means when it dissipates, is absorbed by a front or extratropical low or moves out of populated areas). CrazyC83 19:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Cuba
Fifteen provinces, twelve under hurricane warning. They should just go ahead and get the other three, yeesh. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 02:50 (UTC)


 * 11pm Discussion:

DENNIS MAY HAVE UNDERGONE AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE DURING THE AFTERNOON...AS THE 9 N MI WIDE EYE SEEN EARLIER IS NOW 16 TO 20 N MI WIDE. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT THE 950 MB CENTRAL PRESSURE IS AN ESTIMATE AND COULD WELL BE TOO HIGH.
 * It is almost getting annoying how conservative they're being. More panic is better than complacency IMO. This is from Forecaster Beven; I'm going to start keeping an eye on the forecaster and how aggressive they are in their forecast. Also, the eye is passing over or very near to the southwestern corner of Cuba. --Golbez July 8, 2005 03:48 (UTC)


 * I'd go for concern more than panic. Panic is bad. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 04:44 (UTC)


 * I agree, he's being more conservative (And concern is better than panic...). The only thing that's preventing this thing from reaching Category 5 intensity is Cuba, and I wouldn't be surprised if it reached Cat 5 once it emerges back out over the Gulf of Mexico. bob rulz July 8, 2005 06:58 (UTC)


 * Keep in mind that the Gulf waters aren't quite as warm, as deep, as the Caribbean is. That withstanding, heck I almost expected to wake up this morning to find it a Cat 5 as it was approaching Cuba and I definitely think Dennis could hit that high at some point. The satellite appearance is really close to that textbook, perfect look - just barely not quite there yet. The Great Zo 8 July 2005 15:16 (UTC)

The 11 am discussion says this:

THE LATEST RADAR DATA ALSO SUGGESTS THAT DENNIS MAY BE STARTING AN EYEWALL REPLACEMENT CYCLE...WHICH WOULD SUGGEST THAT DENNIS HAS LIKELY PEAKED IN INTENSITY. It appears that we may not have a cat 5 hurricane after all, although I guess it's still possible if it stays in the Gulf long enough. bob rulz July 8, 2005 15:26 (UTC)

I doubt it will become a Category 5, this is no Ivan, but it could come *amned close. 150 mph winds with the possibility of strengthening further! We may not have an Ivan, but we could have a Floyd.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 8 July 2005 17:37 (UTC)


 * 150 mph + 6 mph = Category 5. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 19:09 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's going to become a Cat 5. I said I wouldn't be surprised if it did. However, it weakened more than it was expected to over Cuba, so it probably won't. It's still entirely possible though, just unlikely. bob rulz July 9, 2005 04:38 (UTC)

Historicalityness
Speaking of the Weather Underground (it's way up there on the page), they generate a map that shows the tracks of storms of similar strength in similar places in the same month. For Dennis, there aren't any. None. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 19:45 (UTC)

Dennis path image needs updating
For any admins out there, Image:Dennis 2005 Track.gif needs to be updated regularly by you. Since it is on the mainpage, it has been protected. Thanks. -- tomf688 (talk) July 8, 2005 21:35 (UTC) Still three days until landfall, so no rush. I'd recommend bravely running away if Dennis is looking like it is now or stronger in two days. -- tomf688 (talk) July 9, 2005 03:46 (UTC)
 * I've uploaded to a new file Image:Hurricane Denis Path.gif due to the protection and put that one on the page. The issue with the protection needs to be addressed though. Donovan Ravenhull 8 July 2005 21:56 (UTC)
 * Please don't do this, it just creates more stuff to clean up. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 22:16 (UTC)
 * If they unlock the original, I'll go back to updating that one... until then... Donovan Ravenhull 8 July 2005 22:18 (UTC)
 * Well, now the new image is protected too.... Donovan Ravenhull 8 July 2005 22:20 (UTC)
 * It is still quite protected. An admin (me), cleaned things up. We're an encyclopedia, being a little slow isn't a failure. And how the hell am I supposed to respond to you if you won't stop commenting? -- Cyrius|&#9998; 8 July 2005 22:21 (UTC)
 * I appologize. At the time, I was trying to get things updated before my wife picked me up to face the supermarket madness at D minus 2.  Being well in the strike path (Mobile, AL), I have been keenly interested in keeping things up to date in any way that I was able too.  Hope I didn't offend.  As it is, since you do have admin powers, could you blow away the other image I uploaded? Donovan Ravenhull 8 July 2005 23:47 (UTC)
 * You caught some spillover annoyance at that monstrosity of a template on Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season in addition to the minor annoyance of having to clean things up. Wait, Mobile? What the hell are you doing around here!? Get yourself out of there! -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 01:54 (UTC)
 * (we got enough stars for this?) I'm in a good solid brick house on high ground.  We got propane and canned goods.  And we know the best thing in our situation is to hunker down and ride it out.  Besides, I work for the Phone company, so the best I can do is kick the family out of the house (like I did last year during Ivan cuz my <2yo step grandkids were here then).  I've lived through Ivan, Fredrick, and countless minor hurricanes and storms (don't get me started on Danny in '97), and while there is a risk, it is managable. Donovan Ravenhull 9 July 2005 02:10 (UTC)
 * Brick? You mean brick veneer over sticks? Given the risk of Dennis being Camille-caliber, I'd head for the hills. But that's me. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 02:39 (UTC)
 * Speaking of things that are protected that need updating: the ITN article needs some minor tweaking (Dennis is no longer "approaching Cuba"). -- tomf688 (talk) July 9, 2005 03:54 (UTC)
 * Done, I think. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 03:59 (UTC)
 * Tubular. ;) -- tomf688 (talk) July 9, 2005 04:05 (UTC)
 * And, for future reference, it would probably be best to upload the track images to the Wikimedia Commons instead of to Wikipedia so they can be used with more ease between wikis (mostly between Wikipedia and Wikinews). -- tomf688 (talk) July 9, 2005 05:49 (UTC)
 * I would think Wikinews would want one that is static to the story issue time. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 05:50 (UTC)

To quote the Mobile NWS office:
 * "Every hurricane is different and just because you have made it through other storms with very little damage...don't assume that Dennis will be the same. Don't be a statistic...obey all evacuation orders."

It would probably have a little more impact if it didn't have the ellipses that seem so pervasive in NWS writing. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 05:55 (UTC)
 * And the fact that NWS keyboards are forever stuck on caps lock. -- tomf688 (talk) July 9, 2005 05:56 (UTC)
 * I'm interning at a NWS office this summer and I can tell you that when typing up official products/documents to publish, everything reverts to all-caps once the document is "sent" no matter what... I guess that's just protocol. (And darn it, I've even picked up their ellipsis habit too... next thing you know my comments in here will LOOK LIKE THIS). The Great Zo 9 July 2005 06:11 (UTC)
 * Well we can't hold it against the NWS; they are meteorologists afterall, not linguists. -- tomf688 (talk) July 9, 2005 06:25 (UTC)
 * I imagine that they have to use CAPS because there might be some old systems that don't support lowercase characters (I can't think of any, though) and they would be killed by public scrutiny if they didn't send out a forecast to a station because of that... (and dang, I got the ellipsis habit too!!!) -- Titoxd 9 July 2005 07:01 (UTC)
 * Hooray for legacy systems! -- Cyrius|&#9998; 9 July 2005 07:06 (UTC)

Dennis track image needs to be unprotected, since it is no longer on the frontpage. Thanks. -- tomf688 (talk) 23:18, July 9, 2005 (UTC)


 * Unprotected. Got a headache, somebody else deal with updating. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 02:23, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Image retention
Sorry, Cyrius. First time dabbling in imagery; I'll be more careful next time -- though I can see that a page could well get image heavy; certainly there's some good middle ground? --Baylink 9 July 2005 17:53 (UTC)
 * The image you removed is one of the sexiest hurricane images I've ever seen. It'll probably be the permanent header once the storm has gone.  -- tomf688 (talk) July 9, 2005 18:32 (UTC)


 * It isn't just that you've added an image, it's that you orphaned one to do it. I'm trying to cut down on the litter of unused images tropical systems generated last year. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 02:19, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

After landfall
I'm curious about something. Should Dennis make landfall, weaken to a tropical depression or weak tropical storm, and interact with another system and reintensify, could it be reclassified as a hurricane after the interaction on land if winds of greater than 74 mph are recorded (or upgraded back to a tropical storm if winds of greater than 39 mph are recorded later)? CrazyC83 23:57, 9 July 2005 (UTC)


 * As long as it didn't become extratropical, yes it would, as far as I know. bob rulz 00:53, July 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * I would say it's not possible - no interaction with another system will reintensify a hurricane. It needs only two things - warm water and no wind shear. I don't believe a storm has ever reintensified to hurricane strength over land. --Golbez 01:09, July 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * I also doubt that it is possible. A hurricane could transition to a powerful baroclinic extratropical cyclone over land, but I can't see it happening as a convective tropical system. I'm guessing there isn't a policy on the issue. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 02:18, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, Allison was classified as a Subtropical Storm when it strengthened to tropical-storm force over land on June 11, 2001.  --Goobergunch|? 04:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * As I sat out Francis in Tuscaloosa AL last year I recieved minor wind and sparse rain. Most of the Wind,Rain,and dammage in Alabama (north of montgomery) was to the east of Interstate 65. This projected path seems to promise the opposite, with the majority of the storm to the west of 65. --Mitrebox 04:41, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Pictures
Count on me for Pensacola pictures. It might be a while but I'm going to take them starting Monday. I'm staying in town with my family...wish me luck! Mike H (Talking is hot) 02:39, July 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Fly you fools! -- tomf688 (talk) 03:52, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

I'm gonna have my digital going too, though it might be a day or two before they make it online for obvious reasons. Donovan Ravenhull 08:57, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Just don't, like, you know, die. And tons of good luck to you...you'll definitely need it. bob rulz 10:03, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

Looks like I won't get much in the way of good pictures. The eye's going over Santa Rosa County and Navarre Beach, and I'm near the state line, so I think we're getting the good side of it. Mike H (Talking is hot) 20:08, July 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Same story from here in Mobile. I guess we got lucky here, but I feel for the people that did get hit, especially if they ahd already begun to relax thinking they were safe.  Nothing like a good hard turn less than 12 hours out.  Do wanna thank all those who wished us coastal wikipedian's luck though.  Donovan Ravenhull 23:08, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Zero Moment Point
The hour of landfall draws near. Power lines will fall, homes will be destroyed and people will die. Nature has total control. At this point, you can do nothing. Floridians seem to have gotten use to that feeling. I think Leonardo Di Caprio summerized this moment best when he made one of the greatest understatements in movie history: he's handcuffed to a pipe in the bowels of the sinking Titanic. Water is creeping up the porthole and he says: "This could be bad."

By the way, it's 1 am here in Atlanta. I'm running on adrenaline right now. Good night.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 05:27, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Now keep in mind that up until about 10 minutes ago I agreed with an above post by bob rulz, but it may be time to start rethinking the "cat 5?" issue... As of 3:00 AM EDT it's at 145 MPH with a pressure of 934 MB ... which is lower than its pressure ever has been before in its existence. Combine that with the fact that the eye is contracting rather frighteningly... and it's certainly a real possibility. A few other facts


 * Between 3:00 PM (July 9) and 9:00 PM (July 9) - 6 hours - the pressure fell by 20 millibars.


 * Between 5:00 AM (July 9) to 3:00 AM (July 10) - 22 hours - the pressure fell by 38 millibars.


 * Between 5:00 PM (July 9) and 3:00 AM (July 10) - 10 hours - the winds have increased by 40 MPH.


 * Reminds me a lot of Charley just before it hit, but by this point in Charley's strenghthening it was already on shore. Can't wait to see what superlatives the forecasters throw into the first line of the 5:00 AM discussion. I expect to find out as soon as its issued - 3:24 AM here in Detroit and I might as well stay up for it. The Great Zo 07:25, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I'm starting to think that it may at least be a borderline cat 4/5 hurricane at landfall. And WOW, those are some amazing intensification figures. This storm might be worse than anything we had last year...glad I'm safe out here in Utah (*prepares for jinxing*) bob rulz 07:52, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

NHC is saying the intensification trend has ceased, and Dennis is going to drop a bit in strength before landfall. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 15:06, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * To the best of my knowledge, every storm I can remember that's hit the northeastern gulf coast has begun weakening in the 6-12 hours before landfall. Opal, and Ivan, for example, both followed that trend. I know it timed out nicely with the end of Dennis' intensification stage, but otherwise, does anyone know why this seems to be the case? The Great Zo 15:23, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

A small strip of colder water lines the shoreline of the Gulf coast. That strip is like a barrier that the hurricane must use a lot of energy to cross. This cold water infiltrates the warm core of the hurricane, causing it to weaken. This is the case with both Dennis and Ivan. How great of an effect it will have on Dennis I don't know. Opal weakened before reaching this strip of cold water and it was moving too fast for it to have much of an effect. I think that a layer of dry air got entrained in the eywall right at an eyewall replacement cycle. This caused the eye to deteriorate and the storm to weaken. Eloise was moving at a similar speed to that of Opal and was coming in from the same angle. The cold water had little or no effect on the storm.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 17:31, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, Dennis has made landfall as a Category 3 hurricane about midway betweeen Pensacola Beach and Navarre, Florida. I've uploaded radar images of landfall from the Northwest Florida and Mobile radar stations. --Goobergunch|? 19:41, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Zero Hour has arrived.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 19:52, 10 July 2005 (UTC)


 * They're saying damage isn't nearly as bad as it was with Ivan. It looks like we dodged a bullet with this one. It made landfall in a relatively uninhabited area. bob rulz 04:47, July 11, 2005 (UTC)


 * Natural selection. Ivan took out everything that could be damaged by Dennis. -- Cyrius|&#9998; 05:10, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Guys, bear in mind that being less destructive than Ivan is not hard to be. Ivan caused 15 billion dollars in damage. Only one hurricane caused more damage than that, and his name is Andrew. Isabel caused $3 billion in damage and still got retired. By saying this storm wasn't as bad as Ivan is like saying it wasn't record-breaking. It's still a big mess and it's only July.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 04:22, 12 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, this storm was about as strong and followed about the same track as Ivan, so naturally people are going to compare it to Ivan. It hit in a less-developed area and was actually weaker then Ivan, as well as faster moving, so it didn't do as much damage. bob rulz 04:52, July 12, 2005 (UTC)

They both had 105 knot sustained winds at landfall.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 18:55, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Current Event to Archive Time
And I'm not gonna even pretend I have the skills to do the rewrite. But it is time to transform this to a 'what did happen' article. Donovan Ravenhull 11:02, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Damage and casualty figures
The damage and casualty figures cited in the article don't match with the ones shown in the infobox. It says 3-5 billion dollars at the bottom of the article and 5-9 billion dollars in the infobox. The numbers for casualties aren't consistent throughout either. bob rulz 22:34, July 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * That is because the $3-5B is insured damage, the $5-9B is the total damage. About half of the damage was in Cuba and Haiti. CrazyC83 03:17, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

We need to add Georgia to the areas affected list. We got nine inches of rain in 24 hours. What did Tennassee get? Three? Four? Mississippi only got six. Come on.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 04:25, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

Has anyone cared to notice Dennis's mounting death toll? We're up to 71 people now: 44 in Haiti, 16 in Cuba, 10 in the US, and 1 in Jamaica.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 17:52, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Changing references
I've begun to change the references to the Footnote3 format, in preparation for a FAC. I'll have to go soon, so someone may want to continue where I left off. The Template messages/Sources of articles/Generic citations page will be very helpful to whomever keep doing it. Tito xd (?!? - did you read this?) 00:14, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I've finished all of the references off and updated a couple as well as tweaked some wording. I think this article is ready for a FAC nomination. - Cuivienen 00:16, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Peer Review
I'm thinking that this article is ready for a peer review. Does anyone have any major changes to make/objections before it is put up for one? I'll give this a week before opening up a peer review. - Cuivienen 17:28, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * We had already done a sort-of-peer review at Talk:2005 Atlantic hurricane season, so I went ahead and nominated it for a Featured Article status. Tito xd (?!? - did you read this?) 02:31, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

Image Locations
I don't know what browser you;re using Titoxd, but on my computer (Internet Explorer), relocating the Storm Track image creates a HUGE area of white space at the top of the Storm History section. I think this problem is much larger than two images being close to each other. - Cuivienen 23:44, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm. I'm using FireFox, but I'll check with IE. Either way, I'm going to test it with both now. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 23:47, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
 * And now I've figured out a way for it to display correctly. Most of the problems were due to the Wikinews box. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 23:57, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Help with source
I've found the following source, that gives details about the casualties in each part of Florida up to the county, but I can't make too much with it... anyone want to help? (I've already added some information from the Red Cross about Haiti). Tito xd (?!? - help us) 06:43, 27 December 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm working on it now, along with several other recent storms before it was experimented with Katrina and became standard with Rita. CrazyC83 19:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikinews box
That box is usually placed at the bottom of the page. I've heard it was causing some problem on some browsers. Perhaps that's a solution? -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 00:16, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Fixes
Comparing the text to the TCR I found a lot of errors in the storm history. Both landfalls at Cuba listed the wrong wind speed. The hurricane didn't reach 150mph winds until after its first cuba landfall. And peak intensity wasn't reached until the hurricane was in the Gulf of Mexico. Though it is likely it broke Audrey's record earlier, it is the 930 mbar pressure from July 10 that is the important one ("the strongest July hurricane"). Audrey's lowest recorded pressure was 946 mbar but records are incomplete (see Atlantic hurricane best track), so claiming an exact time for when the hurricane broke this record seems unnecessary; however, going by the best-track Dennis reached 938 mbar by 1200 UTC on July 8. &mdash; jdorje (talk) 01:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Additionally, there is no information on flooding or rainfall, which is rather crucial. I added a short paragraph on U.S. flooding, and uploaded 4 images from NOAA, but I haven't found room for any of the images yet (maybe a separate gallery would be appropriate; see commons:Category:Hurricane Dennis).  Also, some information on Cuba flooding would be nice: the NHC report says maximum rainfall in Cuba was 27" within 24 hours, which is...extreme. &mdash; jdorje (talk) 22:49, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Helpful in checking for vandalism: this link shows the difference between the current version and the pre-TFA version. This link shows the difference between the current version and a more recent non-vandalized version. &mdash; jdorje (talk) 03:39, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, we're watching the article, don't worry so much. However, there are times new facts are introduced to the article, and someone needs to fact-check those... :) Tito xd (?!? - help us) 03:41, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Heh heh, I know you're paying close attention (most vandalism so far has been caught within seconds). As for fact-checking, I did a last read-through a few hours before the article appeared on the main page, and made these revisions, so that's what would need to be fact-checked. &mdash; jdorje (talk) 03:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * This guy needs help! I have seen a lot of vandalism in my time here, but that is crazy. (careful, it may crash your computer!) -- §  Hurricane  E  RIC  §Damages archive 04:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Blocked immediately by Curps. See the vandal's block log. Tito xd (?!? - help us) 04:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that. I was just pointing out the insanity of it. -- §  Hurricane  E  RIC  §Damages archive 06:26, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, it got vandalised whilst I was reverting there... Didn't catch the second bit. Thanks NSLE. - JVG 15:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I tried to rollback, but got caught by your edit, so I realised that there was still some vandalism. NSL E (T+C) 15:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I got it back to your edit of 15:05 UTC - JVG 15:29, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

And here is my new link for vandalism checking (specifically checking for errors in reverts). &mdash; jdorje (talk) 18:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)