Talk:Hurricane Frederic

Todo
The content and structure are certainly enough to qualify as B-class, but there are some parts that need to be addressed. For instance, was it a cat3 or a cat4 storm? Winds are *never* clocked at 132 mph. Why does the intro note the uncertainty in damages (all storms have this uncertainty)? Is the quoted section actually a quote? Jdorje

Frederic was a Cat. 3 at landfall. This article could be vastly improved using the NHC archive alone. I've improved the intro & storm history. Pobbie Rarr 19:03, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Assessment comments
I see someone put it at B class. Sorry, but I disagree. First, there's no inline sources. Second, it's very stubby in places. A B class article, in my opinion at least, should have a few sentences on every aspect of the hurricane. The are no inland effects mentioned, nor is there any mention of its effects in Puerto Rico. It's pretty close, but not quite enough for B class. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:07, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * My experience reading the article mirrored the B-class description:
 * Useful to many, but not all, readers. A casual reader flipping through articles would feel that they generally understood the topic, but a serious student or researcher trying to use the material would have trouble doing so, or would risk error in derivative work.
 * So if I were to reassess the article, I'd still give it a B. &mdash; Rob (  talk  ) 20:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but I feel a casual reader should be introduced to the main parts of the storm. Also, how can it be useful if it is incorrect? We don't know, unless there are some sort of inline sources. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:09, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Landfall intensity
I know that the silly Deadliest Costliest table says "Category 3" but I have found no other source that says that. In fact, the preliminary report and the MWR (which are almost verbatum copies) says that flight level winds just before landfall were nearly Category 5 force (138 knots). Using the standard reduction ratio of 0.9, that comes to 125 knots at the surface. The same recon plane reported a 946 mbar pressure, down from 950 six hours earlier and Dauphin Island Sea Lab reported an "unofficial" reading of 943 mbar. 135 mph seems to be a conservative landfall estimate rather than an aggressive one. The real intensity was probably around 140 mph. And the damage reflects that. No information I have found indicates that Frederic weakened before landfall. The Best Track certainly doesn't (given, the Best Track does have a few errors in it; hence the more extensive research). -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 01:15, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That may be. But remember, no original research in these articles per wikipedia guidelines.  Thegreatdr (talk) 19:07, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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Wikipedia page has questionable damage listings
A lot of stronger references indicate the storm caused from $2.2 billion to just below $3 billion (the 1979 USD), rather than the $1.77 that's indicated with the Wikipedia page on the storm. Reliable sources showing the real damage exist; they, however, haven't been listed on the page here on the enwiki. Can anyone get real proof to establish this? Angela Kate Maureen (talk) 19:05, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears that the $1.7 Billion for the US was taken from the NHC's costliest TC list.Jason Rees (talk) 19:53, 19 December 2021 (UTC)