Talk:Hurricane Gilbert

Lowest pressure?
The gilbert article puts its lowest pressure at 888, claiming to be the lowest in the western hemisphere. But the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 claims its pressure is the lowest in the western hemisphere (see the discussion page there). Where does this data come from? Jdorje 22:23, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Labor Day storm's article was in error and has recently been revised. You check any reliable source and they will tell you Gilbert had the record lowest pressure for the Western Hemisphere.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 00:19, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

It's just an error of wording pretty much. The labor day storm was and still is the most intense storm at landfall recorded in the western hemisphere. Runningonbrains 18:11, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Infobox image
That satellie picture of Gilbert in the mid-section of the article is outstanding. It should be put in the infobox and the track relegated to another section of the article.

E. Brown, Hurricane enthusiast - Squawk Box 05:45, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Todo
Only thing really missing is the impact section. This storm caused $5b in damages; I know there is more info here. Jdorje 21:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Added more info to the article. Storm05 15:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Please fix your spelling. &mdash; jdorje (talk) 18:25, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

If anyone wants to expand the article further, there is a lot of good information in the |NHC Tropical Cyclone Report.

Deaths
It's strange that the # of mexico deaths is taken not from the TCR but from some spanish-language source. Should be changed I suppose. — jdorje (talk) 06:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

For example if you were there that thing happened would you die????? Harmony msutu (talk) 05:21, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Image
This is a truer version of the infobox image. The current one has been distorted by cropping. I think it should be replaced by the HSEI image. Any objections? -- § Hurricane E  RIC  archive 00:56, 24 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually, the infobox one is the truer one, as it was the original image. The one you mentioned was distorted by brightening it a bit, as well as adding the caption and country lines (which is a bit distracting, IMO). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 04:04, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Links
Useful links: More to come. Tito xd (?!? - cool stuff) 23:29, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * http://www.zocalo.com.mx/seccion/articulo/Huracan-Gilberto-Hace-21-anos-fue-un-caudal-de-destruccion
 * http://www.elporvenir.com.mx/notas.asp?nota_id=248940
 * http://www.elporvenir.com.mx/notas.asp?nota_id=94060
 * http://www.elporvenir.com.mx/notas.asp?nota_id=248945
 * http://www.elporvenir.com.mx/notas.asp?nota_id=248960
 * http://www.mapfre.com/documentacion/publico/i18n/catalogo_imagenes/grupo.cmd?path=1029084
 * http://www.cdemavl.org/handle/123456789/49?mode=full
 * http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/ESTADOS_UNIDOS/MEXICO/AMERICA_CENTRAL/CARIBE/paso/huracan/Gilberto/televisado/directo/elpepiint/19880917elpepiint_10/Tes
 * http://www.crid.or.cr/cd/CD_Huracanes/pdf/spa/doc1212/doc1212-contenido.pdf
 * http://www.lacronica.com/EdicionEnLinea/Notas/Nacional/18042011/510353.aspx
 * http://www.cep.unep.org/publications-and-resources/technical-reports/tr04es.pdf

Jamaica section expanded
I have greatly expanded the Jamaica impact section. Shall this be upped to a C? Jeffrey Gu (Talk to Jeffrey Gu | Edits | Sandbox) 22:16, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Since B (its highest class at the moment by the TX project) is a better class than C, no. All the classes should reflect B, if one project has deemed the article B worthy.  However, it may be time to make a GAN run with this article.  You game?  Thegreatdr (talk) 22:02, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Todo
The first time many people nationally heard about Accuweather is when they issued a hurricane watch for Texas. They were apparently sued over this issuance. I don't know if any references can be found to this event, but it captured media attention while Gilbert was moving through the Gulf of Mexico. There is some seriously overwikilinking in this article. Is the TC project still wikilinking place names at every occurrence? Wikipedia policy is for no geographic location wikilinking. Thegreatdr (talk) 06:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I had a search through the news archives i have access to but they have nothing on Accuweather hurricane watch for texas though there seemed to be something for another system. Anyway imo you have to have some geographic linking as otherwise whos gonna know where Niue, Texas or watever is, but major places eg the US, dont need linking off.Jason Rees (talk) 14:23, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * For now, I've removed second occasions of wikilinks, which is the general wikipedia standard, geographic location or not. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Article is severely lacking
Since I've already started to help out I can't really review this article for GAN. However, as evidence of what I've been able to add already, this article is severely lacking in information. There is a plethora of sources available for use that are not implemented. Many areas affected by the storm were not mentioned outside the deaths and damage table, most notibly Haiti. I suggest withdrawing the nomination and doing further research on the storm, utilizing journal articles and more newspaper sources. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 13:23, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * So this means this article cannot meet the GA Criteria at this time? J  G  (edits · sandbox) 21:32, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * At this time, it can't. It's not comprehensive enough. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 21:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It's getting there. Give him/us time.  No one has even reviewed the article yet, and there are no shortage of helpers.  Thegreatdr (talk) 18:30, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

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Lingering issues
Per the GAN review, there were issues. I did what I could with the referencing and retrieved by dates. It turns out that three of the references were the same, so they've been merged. Thegreatdr (talk) 17:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, and I've also thought of an aftermath section following this link:  J  G  (edits · sandbox) 20:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * The article is getting there, but is still a ways away, in particular with the impact section. YE  Pacific   Hurricane  23:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, I have started a newer, longer aftermath section. J  G  (edits · sandbox) 00:53, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Improved article
Over the past few days, I have been expanding and fixing issues in the article. Should this be A-class? J G  (edits · sandbox) 20:40, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd wait for the GA review to pass. Although A-class isn't inherently better than a GA, I think in this case there should be more peer reviewing. There is too little info for the US, given $80 million in damage. Mexico is likewise really short for over $1 billion in damage. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 20:43, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree. Let's wait for the GA review/more feedback before trying for A or FA class.  One step at a time.  The further you go up the wikipedia ladder when it comes to article quality, the longer each step takes.  It looks like Hink gave some input in his response which could be used to improve the article.  Thegreatdr (talk) 21:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Aftermath phrasing

 * The destruction in Jamaica was so heavy that Lovindeer, one of the country's leading dance hall DJs, released a single called Wild Gilbert a few days after the storm.

I don't know how to correctly put it in words, but I feel the way it's written is not the best one, since as it currently says: "It was so heavy that someone made a single".

As it stands, the implication is that Gilbert strength was large enough to warrant a DJ making a single. An odd phrasing since the hurricane strength is independent of anyone making a single or not. Magister Mathematicae (talk) 19:15, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Poor English prose
It seems most of these weather-related entries are done in a very poor English prose style. You can cram as much information in here as you wish, but unless the writing flows, it is not of much use. I find this one almost unreadable. (I would help, but have sworn off editing science articles.) I can provide examples and corrections. Antimatter33 (talk) 16:49, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * If you feel the prose is not up to par, please, feel free to edit the article -- Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia after all. TropicalAnalystwx13 (talk) 19:05, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree in this case, but as for other articles, no. Sure, WPTC articles are technical, but that's why we wikilink them. YE Pacific  Hurricane 19:16, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Cancun
I was in Cancun during Gilbert. I don't think 5000 American tourists were evacuated "from Cancun". What this probably refers to is that a certain number (5000?) of tourists were evacuated in a systematic manner from the Tourist Zone (Hotel Zone) to downtown Cancun. After the hurricane hit, the airport was closed for two or three days. It was bedlam at the airport, as tourists were impatient about not being able to fly out of Cancun. But again, "evacuation" from the airport was done systematically, starting with tourists who had the earliest scheduled flights out, and airlines cooperated in flying tourists out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sp3lly (talk • contribs) 06:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

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Infobox image (new discussion)
Is this image: File:Hurricane Gilbert Sep 13 1988 2001Z.jpg of better quality than this image: File:Gilbert 13 sept 1988 2117Z.jpg? The former image has these lines running through it, and despite being in real color, it was taken before peak intensity, whereas the latter image was taken very near peak intensity. --Undescribed (talk) 02:29, 14 April 2018 (UTC)