Talk:Hurricane Hernan (2008)

Formation of article
Created Hernan link.--Marmon55 (talk) 03:53, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Todo
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Hernan_07_August_2008.jpg/120px-Hernan_07_August_2008.jpg Add image

merge
it NEEDS an article now. its a Major hurricane and it will have one by tomorrow, possibly under the name Hurricane Hernan72.193.254.254 (talk)

I really do No need for such a stubby article on a storm that never touched land. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge badly. It's short, and it's pointless. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No Merge Hold out on the merge for now. I'm currently working on rewriting the whole article. Wait until I've finished, then see if it still needs to be merged. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Fine with no merge for now. Don't forget to use TWO's and TWD's (both on here). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to move the article to a user sub page for now. I'm tired and I don't want to do a sloppy job on it. Sorry for delaying it. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No MergeIt has not been edited since Labor Day, butI think we should all help Cyclonebiskit do the job.--72.193.254.254 (talk) 04:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

I don't see any need for an article on Hernan. It didn't affect any land, it didn't set any records, and overall there wasn't much of anything special about it. However, if you are interested in article writing, there are plenty of older storms that either have articles and need work, or caused some impact on land but do not have an article. Or, if you want to focus on Hernan, you could always work on the section in the season article. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:16, 10 August 2008 (UTC) This article dose not need to be merged if you look and the to do section of this page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.254.254 (talk) 17:25, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

No need for such a stubby article on a storm that never touched land. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  01:52, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Merge badly. It's short, and it's pointless. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:53, 31 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No Merge Hold out on the merge for now. I'm currently working on rewriting the whole article. Wait until I've finished, then see if it still needs to be merged. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:55, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Fine with no merge for now. Don't forget to use TWO's and TWD's (both on here). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to move the article to a user sub page for now. I'm tired and I don't want to do a sloppy job on it. Sorry for delaying it. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 02:38, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No MergeIt has not been edited since Labor Day, butI think we should all help Cyclonebiskit do the job.--72.193.254.254 (talk) 04:00, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Article early
Although I understand that this storm can have an article even though it never affect land, the creation of it should have been held off until the TCR for it came out. The TCR would make it much easier to create an accurate and useful article for a storm that didn't affect land. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 01:03, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The Boris TCR is not even out so I would not count on it, however its says on my talk that it needs an article now so i would rename it Hurricane Hernan(2008) when its finished and yes i am also editing it from time to time.--72.193.254.254 (talk) 03:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * The order of the storm doesn't determine how long the TCR takes to come out. Stronger/long lived/landfalling storms take longer than weaker/short lived/non-landfalling storms. It also depends on the activity of the season, the more active, the less time they have to write them up. Also this page is now under my user page, for the time being do not update this page or revert my edits. It takes time to make an article that is useful to be put out in the main space. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 07:08, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

This is an near to above normal season but the above normal season of 2006 had a lot of TCR come out early, but Boris TCR is not out.--72.193.254.254 (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)


 * That's because the atlantic was quiet, they had the extra time to write them. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

MM, I would say the average number of TCR is 28.However The TCR of 2005 came out mostly in April and they had over 50 reports to wrie, Some extremely long ones like Katrina. So, I think the Hernan TCR wont be out until December.--72.193.254.254 (talk) 23:12, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge (again)?
This article is horribly written, lacks citations, and is unneeded. I'm going to be bold and merge unless there are any objections. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  18:39, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No objections. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:45, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

undid merge,there is objection.--Yellow Evan (talk) 19:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Undid your undoing. No offense, but the article is bordering terrible, and there is no need for an article of that quality on a non-notable storm. Also, I see nowhere Cyclonebiskit objecting, so may I ask if you're lying to further your opinion? –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  19:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to this, there's no reason for the article other than personal interest, and I agree with JC, this article is horribly written. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 18:49, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No more merge is my guess now, I'm almost done with the Meteorological history section, which was significantly expanded, and the intro paragraph will be updated shortly after and then the article should be complete (well, reasonably at least). Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Do you want to add anything about naming to the impact section? That seems to be the default way to expand such short articles (eg. Tropical Storm Lee (2005), Tropical Storm Erick (2007)). ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:08, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Can't really add anything about the naming until the TCR comes out. Also, the article is finally done. It's taken a lot of procrastination, aggravation, and time to get it done but it's there. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:19, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It looks good. And no, you don't need the TCR about the naming. We already know what previous storms were named Hernan. For citing purposes, you could use the EPAC best track. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:33, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I added that it was the fifth time a tropical storm was named Hernan in the EPac. Anything else I should add? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:45, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I would personally add the years, since the 1996 and 2002 ones have articles. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:46, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * BTW, the first paragraph in the SH needs sources. You could wait for the TCR to provide an early history (but that would mean you couldn't GA nom it in the meantime), or you could use the ftp://ftp.met.fsu.edu/pub/weather/tropical/Outlook-P TWO's] and TWD's. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 23:50, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, how should I add the other uses into the article? Also, my computer can't open the discussions so if it's not a problem, can you add it in for me? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 23:55, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Something like, "Hurricane Hernan was used previously in 1984, 1990, 1996, and 2002." Have you tried opening the TWD's and TWO's in Internet Explorer? They don't work for me on Firefox, but they always work on IE. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 16:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll give it a try, thanks. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've expanded the pre-depression section and added links to the 1996 and 2002 uses. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Please do not edit
Yellow Evan, please do not edit this article, this is going to sound rude, but you can't write well at all. Most of your edits are poorly written and contain bad grammar. Unless you can learn how to write properly, don't make edits on wikipedia. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol..... Cyclone.... you can't stop someone editing.... and too be honest its a personal attack....... Itfc+canes=me (talk) 17:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not a personal attack, and it would indeed help the article, but I agree that such commands should be avoided. –Juliancolton Tropical Cyclone  17:14, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, got a little too frustrated. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:15, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Itfc - I can try though =) Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Movement
The Meteorological history makes little or no mention of the storm's movement. The track map shows a small loop in its formative stages, and this should be described in the article.  Plasticup  T / C  19:21, 4 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Is the splitting MH a new thing or just because it's long? I have to switch to my desktop to put more info on the formative stage but since I'm almost done with the Elida article, I'm going to do it later. I think I forgot to put the movement in that article too. Thanks for telling this now so I could catch it with the Elida article before it's put out. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Scratch the switching part...Cyclonebiskit (talk) 19:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Split. The MH is too lone also do that with Ioke and Elida


 * Yellow Evan, like I've said in the Elida talk page, I'd much rather prefer someone who has a good editing history than someone who has been extensively ridiculed to comment on this. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:22, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

FAC
If the nomination was stopped because the nominator (in this case Yellow Evan) was blocked, then what if I nominated Hernan for FA? --Dylan620 ( Home •  yadda yadda yadda  •  Ooooohh! ) 15:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Contact Cyclonebiskit, the second main editor for Hernan

...Second main editor? I gathered that you created the article, but basically none of your work is in the article. If you feel that the article is ready for FAC, just tell me, I'll nominate it because if someone else nominates it, I can't really support it since I did the work for it. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 15:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I help you a little and i am the leading contributer to Hernan by dubble.
 * Do you mean by edit count or actual contributions? Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit count. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 16:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Edit counts usually don't mean much, other than how many edits you've made. Save the first two paragraphs of the Storm history, that was your last major role in the article. Compare that old edit, to now. Most of the work in the current version was done by me, save the copy edits and minor changes by GaryColemanFan, Juliancolton, Hurricanehink, and Pasticup. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 16:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * no, when i added an image it was. Leave Message ,Yellow Evan home ,Sandbox[ 17:39, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * By major role, I mean text contributions. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 17:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Article protected for three days
Because every edit in the last 24 hours seems to be a revert, I have protected this article for three days. Please discuss how to properly avoid this type of editing among yourselves so that this does not occur when protection expires, Metros (talk) 18:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Merge?
I know this was the article that I campaigned to be kept two years ago, but should this article be merged? YE  Tropical   Cyclone  01:31, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Ehh, I don't think it's a high priority. Given that it was a major hurricane, it has some claim to notability. For now, I'm indifferent. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 03:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, but I just want to seek other editors opinions. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  03:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I know TAWX has been working on 2008 PHS lately so might as well merge this now before he GANs it sometime in the future. Good news is this (along with Fausto 08) is the last EPAC article from the era where we gave articles for every storm that really should be merged. YE Pacific Hurricane  21:23, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

No consensus to move. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:42, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Hurricane Hernan (2008) → Meteorological history of Hurricane Hernan (2008) – To be brief, this article seems a lot like a MH article...  HF 25  15:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC) Oppose per WP:PRECISION. YE  Pacific   Hurricane
 * I'm with YE. I tried the same for Hurricane Epsilon, but I'll admit it didn't work. There's no need for the extra length in the article title. --♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Merge? (FOR SERIOUS)
This article is mostly only MH and impacts on Hawaii is so minimal that there's no separate section for it! And, 2008 PHS article is not a GA so merging could help.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  22:54, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Strong support Nothing but MH in there. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  13:19, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Nothing else about it but being a major hurricane Cyclonetracker (talk) 20:40, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Nothing close to Hector. ~ Destroyeraa 🌀 14:32, 14 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment There is a consensus for merging.  SMB9 9thx   my edits  02:47, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll do this if no discussion by the end of the week. In this case, I stand by my comments from a few years back. YE Pacific Hurricane 05:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment See WT:WPTC. I think we should step away from merges for 3-5 months, and focus on creating. 🐔 Chicdat Bawk to me!  12:54, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Oppose it's a GA, although merging can bring 2008 pacific to GA status. But 90% of my oppose is based on this. --HurricaneTracker495 School Chromebook (talk) 18:36, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually given the events of the overnight hours, think it's best we hold off here. Ditto with Fausto 08 really. YE Pacific Hurricane 19:08, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support There were no notable impacts from this storm. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Support Everything that needs to be there can go into the article.ChessEric (talk · contribs) 01:57, 19 November 2020 (UTC)