Talk:Hurricane Irma/Archive 1

M H S D
@Jasper Deng: Immediately stop censoring me.
 * My contribution was obviously no Primary (original) research.
 * My contribution was obviousely no Personal invention
 * My contribution was obviousely no Personal essay
 * My contribution Did stay on the task of creating an encyclopedia, as the understandability of the image depends on the explanation of the letters — which I didn't find in the picture. Dust and ashes on me! As I have explained to you, why my contribution is not within the scope of What_Wikipedia_is_not, any further attempt to hide my contribution will qualify as vandalism. Yours, Ciciban (talk) 06:24, 9 September 2017 (UTC)


 * @User:Jasper Deng, what a devastating misconseption of my goog faith. Bad. Very bad. — Ciciban (talk) 05:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Dear All, what do the letters M, H, S and D in the central path line stand for? Thank you in advance! Yours, Ciciban (talk) 14:20, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wind speeds. If you click on the image and look at the lower right, there is a key for those letters. Carcharoth (talk) 15:10, 8 September 2017 (UTC)


 * @Carcharoth: Thanks — Ciciban (talk) 05:47, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

"And the easternmost Atlantic hurricane of this strength on record, surpassing David of 1979."
What does this mean? It is confusing. Tybomb124 (talk) 14:41, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Irma reached 175 mph winds at a farther east longitude than any other Atlantic hurricane (at 57.7 degrees west), eclipsing the second-farthest east such storm, which was David, which reached that windspeed at 66.2 degrees west longitude. Rye998 (talk) 15:12, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's confusing, though we may need to update this now that Irma's speeds surpassed 185 MPH making it already the second most powerful hurricane in Atlantic history. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 19:14, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Oh, thank you. Maybe re-word it. Brendon, I added the part about the winds, but not the 2nd most powerful part. Tybomb124 (talk) 21:52, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

INFOWeather just added it. Tybomb124 (talk) 21:55, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Irma as "strongest"
Not sure we should be including statements about Irma being strongest since Allen. Wilma and Gilbert both had winds of 185mph+ Source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/powerful-category-4-hurricane-irma-aims-at-caribbean-islands/2017/09/05/931dae54-91ef-11e7-8482-8dc9a7af29f9_story.html?utm_term=.50c2b3ba0bb0

35.2.81.241 (talk) 20:08, 5 September 2017 (UTC)


 * Speed in MPH may appear the same for Wilma and Gilbert, but see List of Category 5 Atlantic Hurricanes and sort by highest wind speeds. Irma reached 298 km/hh surpassing the 295 km/h displayed for the others. This may be erroneous as 295 is a more rounded comparison and the exact metric speed for Wilma and Gilbert may be slightly above 295 as well, though if the reason for their display as 295 km/h is that it was rounded then Irma's 298 could reasonably be equated with 300 km/h. I'm open to skepticism about this and would encourage very clear sourcing with these statements, but as of now the sources do point to Irma as the strongest since Allen making it the second strongest recorded hurricane in the Atlantic. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 20:15, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * 295 and 298 are the same (original source rounds to nearest 5 kph). Irma and Wilma have the same intensity as of right now. Tito xd (?!?) 20:19, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Understandable, for now any claims that emphasize significance by referring to it as the strongest since Allen or second strongest in the Atlantic should specify that this position is shared with or tied with other storms. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't 298 be rounded to 300 rather than 295? Alex of Canada (talk) 03:41, 6 September 2017 (UTC)Alex of Canada
 * 185 divided by .621=297.901, thus would round to 300kph. 47.208.20.130 (talk) 03:57, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * You have to convert from knots directly. The conversion from 160 knots yields 295 km/h as the nearest multiple of 5.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:06, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Category 5 hurricane (1-min mean)
The infobox currently states "Category 5 hurricane (1-min mean)" at the top, with 1-min mean linking to Saffir–Simpson scale. Wouldn't it be better to simply state "Category 5 hurricane" without the parenthesis, and to link "Category 5" to Saffir–Simpson scale? The target article doesn't explain the "1-minute mean", making this a rather misleading link and not very useful information for most readers anyway (plus, the 1-minute mean is repeated lower in the infobox anyway, if you insist in having this there). Fram (talk) 15:01, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Strongest since Dean not Wilma
The hurricane is the strongest since hurricane Dean not Wilma. Wind speed is 100% irrelevant --2601:3C5:8200:B79:11FE:8658:5B4B:1E3B (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Oh it is 100% relevant, even NHC uses it as its primary measure of storm strength.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:21, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * We've been using pressure for strength for the longest time, although I've broken that rule a few times. Best to clarify. YE Pacific  Hurricane  16:32, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wilma didn't hit 185 MPH until it was out of the Atlantic and into the Gulf of Mexico. Irma is 185 while in the Atlantic. Don't know if this makes a difference but... 2601:3C7:8302:3184:543E:8A32:3782:C914 (talk) 10:02, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Either way, the 1935 Labor Day hurricane had a wind speed just as high as Irma, but was significantly stronger/more intense in terms of pressure, when it was making landfall from the Atlantic. CarlaStu (talk) 15:51, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Saint Martin death toll
Now at 6. --Kuzwa (talk) 02:12, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The total count should now be 10. 6 in Saint Martin, 2 in Puerto Rico, 1 in Barbados, and 1 in Barbuda. Adamtt9 (talk) 02:15, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Now reported as 8 in Saint Martin, and one in Anguilla. Adamtt9 (talk) 10:52, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

185-mph record?
As of the 11 AM advisory,Irma has had maximum sustained winds of 185mph for 21 hours.Of the other storms on the List of Category 5 Atlantic hurricanes that reached this wind speed,Wilma and "Labor Day" spent a total of 18 hours each as Category 5s,so they were 155mph or less the rest of the time.How much of Gilbert's 24 hours as a Cat 5 were spent at 185mph,and how much of Allen's discontinuous 72 hours at Cat 5 were spent at 185 or 190 mph?...Irma's staying at a wind speed previous hurricanes have had as a brief peak bears notice.12.144.5.2 (talk) 15:44, 6 September 2017 (UTC)


 * It turns out Klotzbach just addressed this in a tweet...Hurricane Allen's 18 hours at 180mph were the old record.12.144.5.2 (talk) 15:54, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Irma turned C5 at about 7 AM EST yesterday and The Weather Channel & CNN both project that it won't be downgraded back to C4 until Saturday at 2:00 PM. If this is true, Allen's discontinuous record of 72 hours would be shattered. This is definitely worth mentioning in the article. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 21:17, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It's too speculative, considering the existence of eyewall replacement cycles. We can mention that once it happens. Tito xd (?!?) 22:07, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree that we shouldn't add it until it happens per WP:CRYSTAL; I should've more clearly specified when saying that it's worth mentioning that this was hinged on whether or not this happens. We'll know by the time it is downgraded to C4, but for now we can only wait. BrendonTheWizard (talk) 14:18, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

semi-protected for three days
Pending changes was in place, but there was way too much vandalism. Any other admin is welcome to lift it if they feel it is warranted.  Enigma msg  16:39, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

United Kingdom?
Shouldn't the heading "United Kingdom" be British Commonwealth? Mjroots (talk) 20:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * The only thing I see that you could be referring to is the hurricane warning box. The Turks and Caicos Islands are a territory of the United Kingdom as compared to actual countries within the Commonwealth of Nations. As such, I do not think this should be changed. Master of Time   ( talk ) 20:07, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Technically the islands are British Overseas Territories so United Kingdom is appropriate. Tito xd (?!?) 20:13, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Maybe change it to British Overseas Territories then. United Kingdom seems to me to be glaringly incorrect, whereas British Overseas Territories fits the bill. Mjroots (talk) 20:36, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Works for me. Changed. Tito xd (?!?) 20:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

2 photos here can be migrated
2 pics taken by VOA

https://www.voanews.com/a/hurricane-irma-dominican-republic-florida/4019656.html

Victor Grigas (talk) 01:23, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

Cone of Uncertainty
The Forecast map in the Infobox is too small to be of much use (although that said anyone can click on it to enlarge it). The Cone of Uncertainty, which is more formally known as the NHC Track Forecast Cone, deserves wider play. It would be trivial to string together all of the NHC's forecasts as an animation throughout Irma's lifetime, but although this is taken from federal work might this not constitute WP:OR? That said, the ensemble of computer models have much improved in recent years. kencf0618 (talk) 03:25, 8 September 2017 (UTC)