Talk:Hurricane Jeanne

Article?
Let's not let this become a precedent, shall we? Consensus seemed to be that being a named storm is not an automatic criteria for getting its own article. Yes, yes, I've been proven wrong ... every single time I've said this, but still! Consensus! Standards! ... And yeah, it looks like this might be worthy. :P --Golbez 00:02, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd say that this is a bit quick for notability. I wouldn't have created it until it actually did something worthy of having a separate article - there's really no harm in waiting. --Goobergunch 00:40, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

And keep in mind, when we move it, move it to Hurricane Jeanne (2004), not to 2004's Hurricane Jeanne or to Hurricane Jeanne itself. It'll have to do a lot to deserve that article. --Golbez 00:31, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)


 * You’re not exactly adding to “the sum of all human knowledge” if you neglect events that haven’t yet passed some arbitrary criteria for “doing something.”


 * Nothing about "adding to the sum of all human knowledge" implies that we should throw separate articles all over the place. The same information is there, it's just not broken out into tiny little pieces unnecessarily. -- Cyrius|✎ 14:51, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Not a single person has neglected events, we are simply wisely placing them where they will be best. If you can demonstrate an aspect of Hurricane Jeanne that has been ignored, please, point it out. --Golbez 15:12, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Dammit Golbez, you jinxed it again! :D

Here we go
Took them til J, but it looks like we might finally have a storm that can threaten me. (Charlotte, NC) --Golbez 21:52, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)
 * Look at that. Ten days later, and how right am I? Look at the 5am Sept 26 map, and the line goes right through Charlotte. Damn, I'm good. (the little zigzag in the NC/SC border) --Golbez 09:27, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)
 * Hah, just wait another 12 hours ;-) This storm has its own mind Awolf002 09:37, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I love wikipedia.
The major language being spoken by those currently impacted by Jeanne is Spanish, and sure enough, an es: link just showed up, using some of our material and some of their own. If I knew Spanish, I might try to take some of what they said (if any was new) and copy it over here. Let's not forget our Spanish brothers and sisters as we build these pages, they are being clobbered just as much, perhaps more, this season as the English speakers. --Golbez 00:53, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Naming
Given the Haitian death toll (which keeps rising in an unsettling manner), it's very likely that the name Jeanne will be retired. Current practice is to put the retired storm at the unqualified name, so I'm going to just go ahead and move this to Hurricane Jeanne. Assuming there are no real objections in the next couple of days. -- Cyrius|✎ 06:00, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing. Full support. And if for some unknown reason they don't retire it, then we deal with it in 2010. :P --Golbez

I'll be sure to leave that comment there so whoever's dealing with super-hurricane Jeanne of 2010 will be able to look back and curse your name :) -- Cyrius|✎ 11:58, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * Bwaha, then my legacy lives on! --Golbez 16:10, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'm in favor of a wait-and-see approach. Especially if Jeanne hits North Carolina as it looks like it's going to do now, then there'll be a stronger argument.  Geesh, there've been a lot of hurricanes this year that merited retirement, haven't there? --Goobergunch 20:35, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I doubt it'll to the same human damage that it did in Haiti if it hits NC, unless it somehow balloons to a cat 4 between now and then... I figure 700 dead is well above the retirement threshold. Charley, Frances, Ivan and now Jeanne are all likely to be retired - and there's still two months left! --Golbez 21:07, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)


 * I'm just glad we're coming off the seasonal peak. Trying to keep up with these things is tiring. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:14, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Retirement
I would say that it is kinda iffy right now. While there is definitely a good case for retirement right now, Haiti has not been terribly reliable in making cases for retirement (remember Gordon in 1994, over 2000 killed and yet it remains on the list). If it makes another landfall, then it should be retired for sure, but for now I'd say it is 'questionable'. There has never been more than four retired names from any one season, that should be broken this year...
 * Yeah, the criteria for retirement can be really weird. Some storms that killed a dozen and did a billion in damage are retired; Gordon wasn't. We will see. Again, if it doesn't get retired, then 2010 can sue me. :P (Of course, the odds of the 2010 Jeanne being more worthy of the main article than the 2004 Jeanne are low; but if it makes it, then hey, moving pages is easy.) --Golbez 00:53, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)
 * It's happened once before that such a situation happened - Hurricane Juan (1985) which was overlooked by the US in making a retirement case, then Hurricane Juan (2003) was made by Environment Canada, which ended its misery and got itself the main article...I wonder if the US played a role in helping out 18 years later...

Death toll's up to 1,000. They'll likely retire it just to avoid the bad PR of not doing so. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:09, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Since it is headed for landfall in Florida as a hurricane (probably a major hurricane), I think it is safe to give Jeanne the main article now, this should be the 4th name of 2004 retired. (There has never been a year with 5 or more names retired, this very well could be a record-breaking year if there is a devastating storm in October)

Thanks a lot! Are you trying to jinx us? Awolf002 23:04, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Not intending to, but that seems to be where Jeanne is headed...hopefully this is it for them but there is still 6-8 weeks left before things calm down (10 weeks left in hurricane season)!
 * But fortunately the peak of the season has passed. Tom 02:13, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

According to this story, the U.S. is recommending the retirement of all four nasty 2004 storms, to be ratified at the 2005 WMO Hurricane Committee meeting in Costa Rica from 31 March to 5 April. --Goobergunch|? 01:56, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Outcome, per List of retired Atlantic hurricane names, is no more Jeanne, but also no more Hurricane Charley, Hurricane Frances nor Hurricane Ivan, after their combined toll of 3,249 deaths and US$60.7 billion (equivalent to $ billion in ) in damage in 2004. Jmg38 (talk) 01:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

HOORAY
Hooray for Sir August de Wynter from The Avengers!


 * Eh? -- Cyrius|✎ 00:37, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * In reference to a similarly odd comment left on one of the other pages. No clue, haven't seen the Avengers. --Golbez 00:44, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)
 * Here's the IMBD: . The movie features a villain with a weather machine. This must be from the only person who liked the movie ;-) Awolf002 00:56, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Oddness
I grabbed the Melbourne radar image from Jeanne's landfall. Oddly enough, I had the one from Frances lying around. The similarities are scary. I'll see if I can find a place to put them so I can have an excuse to upload them for comparisons. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:18, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * I think there is about a 5 mi difference in landfall. Looks like twins, but for the speed. Awolf002 08:39, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Map
The map of Jeanne's predicted path needs to be updated. The caption states Sep. 26, but the image is from Sep 23. The new map is on www.noaa.gov. I would do it myself, but I'm not sure how to edit picture yet. 131.247.46.203 23:16, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)


 * You're seeing a cached version, the image has been updated quite a few times since the 23rd. -- Cyrius|✎ 23:32, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Moving
Well, that was fun. Unfortunately, the history for the article seems to have been wiped by all the moving. Is it possible to restore? --Golbez 18:33, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)


 * It should be now. --mav 19:16, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Combining category and sust wind speeds.
That seems to clean the table up a bit imho, if there's no objection I'll do the same for the other storms too. [[User talk:Tomf688|Tom]] 12:37, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

Todo
One big problem with this article is lack of references. Jdorje 07:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Storm history is good but no preparations and short on impact, considering the intensity. Downgraded to Start. CrazyC83 06:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If it had more references, we might think of B class. Thegreatdr 18:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It needs more info in general. There's nothing on preps or aftermath. The United States section is only two paragraphs - far too short for a 7 billion dollar storm. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 19:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I found some digital photos I took back in 2004 and uploaded them to WikiCommons. Good thing they  are dated files, otherwise I would not be able to tell the difference in which hurricane the photos belong to! (Resident of Daytona Beach, Florida - Survivor of Hurricane Charley, Frances, Jeanne...) Gamweb 17:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Is an article Effects of hurricane Jeanne in Florida still needed? Juliancolton 14:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

NWS reports

 * Miami, FL report
 * Melbourne, FL report
 * Tampa Bay, FL report
 * Peachtree City, GA report
 * Charleston, SC report
 * Greenville-Spartanburg, SC report
 * Morehead City, NC report (on tornadoes)
 * Raleigh, NC report
 * Mount Holly, NJ report
 * State College, PA report
 * Upton, NY report
 * Binghamton, NY report

These should be included in the article. Hurricanehink ( talk ) 17:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Gonna Give It A Go
I can see several issues right off that keep this below GA.For one,I don't think that video at the end is really necessary,and if it does have a place here,it is really placed in a haphazard manner on the page anyway.We've got a major need for citations,and the Impacts section needs expanded greatly.I'm gonna get to it.TheNobleSith (talk) 00:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You are doing very well for a new member. :) You remebered to sign your username, and you can tell the primary issues with the article. And yes, that video is a bit obnoxious in the current manner. Juliancolton (Talk) 00:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Try making the video an external link at the end of the article. That's usually how it's handled within the project anyway. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok. Thanks. I forgot about that. Juliancolton (Talk) 00:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay,I cited the storm history section,and am about to 'external link' the video.After that,I've got to get off the computer for awhile,but will work on the Impacts once I'm back in a few hours.Thanks for help guys :)TheNobleSith (talk) 00:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

OMG my edit was just reverted because some autobot called my links spam!?TheNobleSith (talk) 00:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * That makes mistakes sometimes. Juliancolton (Talk) 01:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay,I took out any links that it may have considered questionable--there were only two that I could see.That code it requires you to type in before adding external links may have been the problem---I had some trouble reading it.TheNobleSith (talk) 01:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * User:Hurricanehink left a comment on your talk page, so that might come in useful. Juliancolton (Talk) 01:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Happened again.*sighs*.I'm off for awhile.Thanks for your help.TheNobleSith (talk) 01:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok,the citations are on.Finally.I'll cleanup the other portions of this article shortly.TheNobleSith (talk) 03:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I filled out most of the references and cleaned up some of the wording within the article, per current GA criteria. The article still needs more information before GANing can occur.  Thegreatdr (talk) 22:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Florida
Ok,I've cleaned this thing up a bit tonight,but I'm not personally going to touch the Florida Impact section until we decided whether or not to create a seperate article for it.I believe we should,since there's enough notable info about that topic to put into a full sized article.TheNobleSith (talk) 04:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok,added a Preparations section.Good thing the Palm Beach Post archived it's articles from the time period--very helpful.TheNobleSith (talk) 18:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Creating Effects Articles
Ok,I'm going to go ahead and create effects articles for Florida and Haiti.I will model them after those articles concerning Hurricane Wilma.TheNobleSith (talk) 20:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Hold your horses! ;-) I strongly suggest you get some more experience before starting new article. I've been here for months, and I still find it extremly difficult to create articles. Also, when you write, could you please put spaces after your commas and periods? Thanks. Juliancolton (Talk) 21:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'll delete the article if you want, I haven't put much into it anyway. As far as the spaces, sure. TheNobleSith (talk) 21:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Good, the spaces look better. Also, what I (and other people, as well) do when they write an article is keep in it userspace until it is ready for publishing. So, while I suggest you start out small, if you were to create an article, you would work on it at User:TheNobleSith/Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in Florida.


 * Also, are you going to come onto the IRC as suggested in your talk page? It would help a lot. Juliancolton (Talk) 21:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea, I agree that you should start with learning the basics of article writing. Would you be opposed if the article was merged? ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 21:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

For the IRC thing, when are you guys on? I'll come on, but I don't know when to come on. As far as the article, whatever you guys want me to do with it. I'm new at this,just trying to help.:)TheNobleSith (talk) 22:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Anytime, mostly in the late afternoon. I'm on there now. Juliancolton (Talk) 22:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I've actually got to go for right now, but will be on later tonight. I will look for you then, thanks for your help.TheNobleSith (talk) 22:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)