Talk:Hurricane Madeline (1976)

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All in all, not bad, but something's weird in the Met. history. It reads as if it strengthened from Cat. 3 to Cat. 4 over land, but the best track clearly has it as a Cat. 4 offshore. Please fix it. Also, is there any impact from non-newspaper sources? For example, Spanish government sources, something about a climatology of Mexican hurricanes. It's a bit lacking, but it's in decent shape. --♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 01:00, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

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 * Not really. It's totally unofficial that it made two landfalls in Mexico. ♬♩ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 02:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)


 * BTW, there is the first search I get for |en&u=http://smn.cna.gob.mx/ciclones/tempo1998/pacifico/madeline.pdf&prev=/translate_s%3Fhl%3Den%26q%3Dhurricane%2Bmadeline%26sl%3Den%26tl%3Des Google Spanish.Leave Message, Yellow Evan home

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Where's Madeline?
Madeline made landfall with winds of 145 mph and 940 mbars in pressure, so why isn't she on this list as #1? I'm not sure if this was forgotten about, but still, where is she here? Rye998 (talk) 19:31, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good question - i will add it in unless their are any objections within say 48 hours.Jason Rees (talk) 20:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed. YE  Tropical   Cyclone   01:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have one more question about this list. It doesn't really pertain to Madeline, but should the 1959 Mexico Hurricane be abriviated "Mexico" instead of unnamed on this list? I believe it is a better way of addressing that storm, and the 1943 Mazatlán hurricane, another "unnamed" hurricane is abbriviated "Mazatlán" instead of unnamed on the deadliest Pacific hurricanes list. Rye998 (talk) 23:02, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  Its my b'day 23:34, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * ...Well, it appears no one is against this change, should it be added in now?Rye998 (talk) 14:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  14:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It can't be added. There are no known measurements of pressure when the storm made landfall. The closest reading was made roughly 9-10 hours before landfall, resulting in a fairly large window of opportunity for the pressure to fluctuate. Since there is no solid evidence of a pressure, inferring one for the time it made landfall borders on WP:OR. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 14:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ...So Madeline can't be added to this list because there could be a possible inacurracy for the pressure, or it might have not hit with 941 mbars? Truth is, Madeline's 941 mbar pressure was measured when it was a 135 mph storm; there is no reading when it was a 145 mph storm at its landfall. This means Madeline could have been lower than 941 at its landfall This is the exact same thing with other storms like 1994's John. It had winds of 175 mph, higher than Gilma or Ioke, but only 929 mbars in pressure. However, since that 929 mbar reading was only measured when it was a 160 mph storm, it may have been stronger than Gilma and Ioke, but until that is confirmed, if it ever will be, John is considered "weaker" than both storms. There might be reanalysis done on Madeline in the future to prove it was the most intense East Pacific landfall, just like the hurricane reanalysis project is trying to confirm the 1932 Cuba storm was a category 5 based on its Lone 915 mbar pressure. All in all, I believe Madeline was the strongest landfall in terms of pressure, but I also agree with you, Cyclonebiskit, it's against WP:OR to assume that. If I can find a valid source proving Madeline was the strongest, I will mention it here.Rye998 (talk) 03:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I also think Madeline was a cat 5. YE  Tropical   Cyclone  03:26, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't really think that, YE, I think Madeline was the strongest EPac landfall on record. Unless, you meant the 1932 storm. Rye998 (talk) 03:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)